SYNC_ Map Feedback

[nimanoe]

scripter <3

 

[glokken]

wp scripter

 

[Nicov]

K, found the problem with the idling lumberjacks. The rms script and the map itself are both fine. The issue was with the v1.0c pathing system, where creating a walled and/or sealed map region under certain conditions disables the ability of the game to check whether objects in that specific region are reachable. Since it improperly believed that none of the trees could be reached within the sealed region, the villagers would idle after each internal search for a new target tree. The idling issue continued until the area was unsealed later on.

This issue has now been fixed for UP v1.5. Thank you for the report, Nilpferd!

Is there any date for 1.5 release?

 

[scripter64]

The standard, standalone UP v1.5 Beta will be public in about 3 days. Voobly will get it around the same time, if all goes well with their work in updating the client.

 

[dogao]

Will the rest of the NC be played with the 1.5?

 

[scripter64]

That's a decision for the admins, but I think it would be best to keep things consistent by running the tournament with the original rules/setup in order to avoid introducing unexpected issues in the middle of important games.

 

[Nicov]

I'd rather play with 1.5 instead of waiting for some 1.4 bugged patrol making a team lose a game.

 

[SMB360]

Scripter needs some kind of 'Omniscient AoC God' badge on AoCZone already 8-)

 

[Socksyy]

I'd rather play with 1.5 instead of waiting for some 1.4 bugged patrol making a team lose a game.

+1

 

[iViktorius]

by the way, this "nomad" version really sucks balls hard.

The fun part about nomad is the randomness, so much variation. Middle lake; big/small, connected to the outside or not. Crossings. Outside water fully around or is the land connected to a side.

But now its fixed and boring

 

[Zuppi]

by the way, this "nomad" version really sucks balls hard.

The fun part about nomad is the randomness, so much variation. Middle lake; big/small, connected to the outside or not. Crossings. Outside water fully around or is the land connected to a side.

But now its fixed and boring

+1 to this, was about to make the same post. Is the any chance to reconsider going back to the proper style nomad?

 

[Q_W_e_r_T_y]

+1

 

[Spaden]

+1

 

[LB10]

+1

 

[SMB360]

You know, I don't disagree with this sentiment. I'll explain how we ended up with this style of Nomad though.

There were three things that caused us to look into changing the land generation to begin with:

(1) The frequency with which ponds appeared on the landlocked edge that fooled players into docking there but only contained 0-3 deep fish. Sometimes this represented a scouting failure, but it could frequently just be bad luck.

(2) The overall fishing distribution - see the map below, which is a landmass generation you can get with standard Nomad (this is actually SYNC_Nomad's resources on standard Nomad's land, 8-player map size):

(3) Having a more consistent landmass to work with allowed for better tuning of forests and resources. This wasn't a priority, but was something I came to realise after experimenting with the land because of (1) and (2).

I remember me and prv_limb went back and forth over this for a really long time on the night before the maps had to be finalised. We were far from totally happy with the end result, but I'd say we just ran out of time to arrive at a more elegant solution before the maps had to be finalised, and so we went with a version of the map that, whilst arguably less interesting, was very competitive.

One thing you can see in the current SYNC_Nomad is that the edge ponds still appear sometimes, and this is because we were well aware of the variety issue. Increasing the land_percent within the defined borders will, at a certain value, stop the ponds appearing, at a cost of making the land extremely fixed. In the release version of SYNC_Nomad that value is sitting a little lower than the amount needed to completely eliminate the edge ponds because we were consciously trying to add a bit of variety back into the map.

 

[Influenza]

Tldr change nomad back xd

 

[Snyper1_]

USA A vs France A G5 Cross:

yellows 2nd Gold was bugged ( just 1 tile)

 

[teutonic_tanks]

well i think thats the 1% chance of a bug map, which can happen on every map.
The only problematic thing about cross is that the fish is spawning next to the coast making the map hardly dockable

 

[Skittle]

I noticed that too, was hard to find a dock spot that is not blocked by fish 111

 

[TheMax]

What is completely changed in SYNC_Nomad is that players spawn as a team instead of having villagers scattered around the map.

 

[Slaktarn]

Picking nomad in our games vs austria was a big dissapointment, it was like playing coastal just that you spawned with no tc. There were no randomness and no crazy Jupe lakes to dock, it was like playing a normal game with so much food.

Dont even wanna comment the BiFi map.

 

[dogao]

Next time check the map you are playing and it wont happen. :roll:

 

[Influenza]

Next time check the map you are playing and it wont happen. :roll:

That sounds like pretty good advice, but somehow I think the map has even changed from when it was first released. (we didn't want to play it again after this first time as all the players, SY included, found it that un-fun.)

http://www.voobly.com/match/view/15790604

At least here there is the possibility of mid lakes on the map and it's not just some ugly rectangular plot of land. However, even in this version of the map there are plenty of unwelcome changes, like "team together," changes in food distribution, villagers starting closer, etc...

The only change I would welcome in vanilla nomad is having a somewhat more fair distribution of stone and gold across the map. All changes besides this do nothing but make the map boring and noob friendly. For me, the point of Nomad is to test a team's ability to adapt to unpredictable circumstances, and I find these changes to be missing the whole point of the map.

I consider myself to be a very experienced TG nomad player, and I would NOT pick this map in it's current state even if there were 4 of me on the team.

 

[robo]

if there were 4 of me on the team.

#DreamTeam

 

[SMB360]

What is completely changed in SYNC_Nomad is that players spawn as a team instead of having villagers scattered around the map.

This was actually desired by the admins long before the idea of overhauling all the maps was ever considered. From there we looked at making the distribution of resources more fair, and the project to overhaul all the maps grew out of that.

That sounds like pretty good advice, but somehow I think the map has even changed from when it was first released. (we didn't want to play it again after this first time as all the players, SY included, found it that un-fun.)

If you didn't 'tl;dr' my previous post then you wouldn't bother to point this out as I've already stated it myself:

I remember me and prv_limb went back and forth over this for a really long time on the night before the maps had to be finalised. We were far from totally happy with the end result, but I'd say we just ran out of time to arrive at a more elegant solution before the maps had to be finalised, and so we went with a version of the map that, whilst arguably less interesting, was very competitive.

I'm told that SY and one of the Brazilian teams are actually really happy with SYNC_Nomad btw. That doesn't mean I think it shares the spirit of vanilla Nomad, though, because it clearly doesn't, but it wouldn't be the only map in the pool to be significantly different to its standard counterpart - see Mongolia, Black Forest, etc.