NAC 4 - Caster Discussions

[mogers87]

Just hope Nili acknowledges that T90 & Dave are far better casters and lets them cast the final.
This should be a good tournament

 

[kalpit00]

Just hope Nili acknowledges that T90 & Dave are far better casters and lets them cast the final.
This should be a good tournament

I don't know man, Nili matches fairly well with both Dave and T90. In any case, all the casting pairs should be hype - including Dash + T90 and Dash + Dave. I haven't heard Dash+Nili before, so that should definitely be interesting to hear (and I would not mind that to be the casting pair for 3rd place match). But I do think Nili should cast the finals, even if he has to split it half and half with T90 and Dave, as it is his tournament. We should get plenty of T90+Dave as its a longgg tournament (and as usual, there's always upsets happening so brackets can get wonky and you might even see 2 Giants face off earlier, so t90+dave can be chosen to cast that - and that's the wonderful thing about NAC, we can have players co-cast or cast the "lesser" hyped sets, or have teammates cast their teammates, etc etc)

 

[Tempires]

no no, It is Daut + Dash casting grand final ofc unless Daut plays himself

 

[dave_hun]

Dave is the best caster

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[SuperskinnyBLS]

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of HOMM 3 Kappa

 

[akku]

I guess you're an anti-memb cultist then? Such an unnecessarly rude post. Prefer the caster you want but keep in mind: On the contrary to Nili and T90 Memb is the one sticking to AoE2 and the Twitch community for ages and whenever he hosts a tournament he tries to include everyone. Something you can't say for Nili & T90 for sure.

Agree for the most part, but T90 has always stuck with aoe2.

 

[JayGould]

strongly disagree tbh.

imo, he definitely has a niche appeal, with his emotion and shock value, and that (along with his years of hard work and dedication to the game, among other things) earns a place in the casting side of things. but the best or at the very top is tough to agree with.

The viewership numbers speak for themselves. Memb is the most watched caster in the game. While I like Dave and T90 a lot, I prefer Memb's casting if I had to choose. Memb is more serious and more focused on the actual gameplay.

 

[VNS_Spring__]

Membs english is super bad and he always interrupts his cocaster. its good to have professional casters for this tournament.

Hello Nili

 

[vince]

The viewership numbers speak for themselves. Memb is the most watched caster in the game. While I like Dave and T90 a lot, I prefer Memb's casting if I had to choose. Memb is more serious and more focused on the actual gameplay.

yes, repeating himself over and over, screaming badaboom, brutal domination and aye yae yae every time there's a fight or he runs out of things to talk about is a sure sign of being more serious and focused on the actual gameplay than anyone else.

if it's your personal preference, no one is arguing about that. but when it comes to claiming he's the best, or that he is more serious or focused on gameplay than T90, Dave or other casters, thats a bit hard to back up.

and lmao @ "viewership numbers"

 

[Michaerbse]

if it's your personal preference, no one is arguing about that. but when it comes to claiming he's the best, or that he is more serious or focused on gameplay than T90, Dave or other casters, thats a bit hard to back up.

I don't want to argue about the other things but yes, he does talk way less about non-gameplay-related topics than pretty much everyone else among the known casters. You can argue about whether this is good - I believe Dave said that he uses those things (such as birds) on purpose - but questioning that stance in general is quite weird.

 

[LeoMontero]

yes, repeating himself over and over, screaming badaboom, brutal domination and aye yae yae every time there's a fight or he runs out of things to talk about is a sure sign of being more serious and focused on the actual gameplay than anyone else.

if it's your personal preference, no one is arguing about that. but when it comes to claiming he's the best, or that he is more serious or focused on gameplay than T90, Dave or other casters, thats a bit hard to back up.

and lmao @ "viewership numbers"

Sorry but you are wrong, in tournaments, memb doesnt do those things. at least in the RB, or in his tournaments. also does not do that in the quarter finals, semi finals or finals of any tournament.

 

[kalpit00]

I don't want to argue about the other things but yes, he does talk way less about non-gameplay-related topics than pretty much everyone else among the known casters. You can argue about whether this is good - I believe Dave said that he uses those things (such as birds) on purpose - but questioning that stance in general is quite weird.

Is that a good thing though? I heavily disagree with that, imagine they have to cast a map like Arena with no action until castle age. How will you fill time? Even talking civ matchups, timings and other bonuses, I feel like T90 does the best job out of all the casters, when talking about strategies. I can recall so many strategic instances which T90 calls (and I am not referring to the MBL caster impression meme - which shows T90 hovering our the map, quickly scanning a building, going to the fight, and saying "Now he should go for a monastry or a siege workshop" and then goes back to the base to show it to the viewers properly 1111)

Its more complex decisions, like that crazy HC3 set between Viper and Mr Yo on High Tides, where Yo lamed Viper to oblivion. The game was lost in dark age, yet T90 was accurate on all the moves that Viper made for a crazy come back to happen (I recommend, must watch game, really cool set)

I even think Nili is really good at analyzing games, probably even better than Dave. If you have ever watched a Nili solo cast, you can see how interactive he is with chat about strategy talk, and I personally find that his thought process is almost like Viper or Daut (whose streams I watch a lot so I know how they usually think about positions).

Dave is probably the most humorous of all casters, and is so consistent too. You never have a bad cast with him, nobody hates him, and he knows how to get along while entertaining others. Also, he is the best in filling time in my opinion, you always want a cocaster who knows how to fill the awkward moments with comedy.

 

[Michaerbse]

Is that a good thing though? I heavily disagree with that, imagine they have to cast a map like Arena with no action until castle age. How will you fill time? Even talking civ matchups, timings and other bonuses, I feel like T90 does the best job out of all the casters, when talking about strategies. I can recall so many strategic instances which T90 calls (and I am not referring to the MBL caster impression meme - which shows T90 hovering our the map, quickly scanning a building, going to the fight, and saying "Now he should go for a monastry or a siege workshop" and then goes back to the base to show it to the viewers properly 1111)

Its more complex decisions, like that crazy HC3 set between Viper and Mr Yo on High Tides, where Yo lamed Viper to oblivion. The game was lost in dark age, yet T90 was accurate on all the moves that Viper made for a crazy come back to happen (I recommend, must watch game, really cool set)

I even think Nili is really good at analyzing games, probably even better than Dave. If you have ever watched a Nili solo cast, you can see how interactive he is with chat about strategy talk, and I personally find that his thought process is almost like Viper or Daut (whose streams I watch a lot so I know how they usually think about positions).

Dave is probably the most humorous of all casters, and is so consistent too. You never have a bad cast with him, nobody hates him, and he knows how to get along while entertaining others. Also, he is the best in filling time in my opinion, you always want a cocaster who knows how to fill the awkward moments with comedy.

Whether or not it's a good thing is a different story.
In my opinion, it is possible to fill even Arena Dark Age e.g. with analyses of the maps and the civ matchups with potential late game army compositions or success factors.
My main concern though is that casters sometimes get too distracted and talk about other topics for a long time. E.g. T90 preferably goes into self praise mode and talks about how good it was to include map x in his last tourney and what amazing matches his tournament y produced (note that he rarely ever talks about tourneys hosted by others). Nili just gets triggered by some random twitch chat comment and goes on a rant for 10 to 15 minutes. I believe there were instances where this goes until mid Castle Age (not on Arena) with not a single word on what is happening in the game.

As I mentioned I don't really want to argue about the other elements. A lot of this is a matter of taste and T90's and Nili's game analyses are obviously fine.

 

[Zeev]

In my opinion, it is possible to fill even Arena Dark Age e.g. with analyses of the maps and the civ matchups with potential late game army compositions or success factors.

Eh, it's Arena. You could just record your analysis from one Arena game, play that, go for a lunch, come back and no one would notice you were gone.

 

[TopperHarley]

Eh, it's Arena. You could just record your analysis from one Arena game, play that, go for a lunch, come back and no one would notice you were gone.

I think it‘s exactly the opposite. In terms of strategies and thinking about late game compositions of different civ matchups, Arena is the most interesting to analyse and you can use dark, feudal age for that.

I watched most of the Arena tournaments during the last years and i think Memb probably casted all of them (even earlier rounds). He puts the same effort and attention to detail into his casting, no matter what stage of a tournament (a very clear difference to other top casters).

In general (on all maps) i think Memb is the very best caster when it comes to not missing critical situations of a game (maybe that also comes down to not getting distracted by non-game relevant topics).

It all probably also comes down to experience. Memb is by far the caster with the longest hours of casting Aoe2. He has seen everything and he has seen it more often than anyone else.

 

[plfan]

Nice discussion here
I watched some tournaments with my brother who isn't as far into AoE2 as me.
I can admit he had some issues with understanding Memb at the begining. But later he liked his casting style. But I understand that not everyone is pattient and Memb could discourage new viewers.

But honestly... I'm not a new viewer. I am in this community many, many years (maybe not a super active member) and I personally love to watch tournaments when Memb is casting. He is the legend. I don't care if he is repeating some phrases or not. I love his energy and passion.

Of course its Nilli`s tournament so he can decide who the casters will be.

 

[covaccino99]

T90 has done an excellent job in Titans league with filling the slow parts of the games with talk about the
tournament, standings, what is at stake, who needs so and so many points more and so on. Love that the standings are shown in between each game.

LeoMontero -> its true. My comment about Memb repeating himself too much with sort of half hearted catchphrases was in regards to other peoples tournaments when he is not 100 percent dedicaded. I dont know if it is critisism of the caster or just a problem of a viewer overconsuming a certain caster. Happens with people i follow in podcasts and youtube as well, after too much listing i start to be irritated by certain traits. If the goal is to stream every day and keep the viewers i honestly think repeating the same phrases too much can hurt.

 

[LeoMontero]

T90 has done an excellent job in Titans league with filling the slow parts of the games with talk about the
tournament, standings, what is at stake, who needs so and so many points more and so on. Love that the standings are shown in between each game.

LeoMontero -> its true. My comment about Memb repeating himself too much with sort of half hearted catchphrases was in regards to other peoples tournaments when he is not 100 percent dedicaded. I dont know if it is critisism of the caster or just a problem of a viewer overconsuming a certain caster. Happens with people i follow in podcasts and youtube as well, after too much listing i start to be irritated by certain traits. If the goal is to stream every day and keep the viewers i honestly think repeating the same phrases too much can hurt.

its like having a partner, at the begining is all god, then, when the time pass, some certain things irritate you. and here you need to make a choice, stay because is more the ups than the downs, or divorce. with memb i choose to stay.
in fact those catchphrases are good to me.

 

[kalpit00]

its like having a partner, at the begining is all god, then, when the time pass, some certain things irritate you. and here you need to make a choice, stay because is more the ups than the downs, or divorce. with memb i choose to stay.
in fact those catchphrases are good to me.

i guess thats why divorce rates are an all-time high, people have options and can cheat easily with other (casters).

The more you f*ck around, the more you're gonna find out Kappa

 

[otw_Da]

yes, repeating himself over and over, screaming badaboom, brutal domination and aye yae yae every time there's a fight or he runs out of things to talk about is a sure sign of being more serious and focused on the actual gameplay than anyone else.

if it's your personal preference, no one is arguing about that. but when it comes to claiming he's the best, or that he is more serious or focused on gameplay than T90, Dave or other casters, thats a bit hard to back up.

and lmao @ "viewership numbers"

for you it is "repeating himself" for other it is trademarkes and catchphrases that have origin in his stream - there is a story behind most of his things he is repeating. it is your personal preference to say its "hard to back up".
i follow esports a long time and can't barely remember any casters or person that is so hard committed to something. for me he is easly the best caster in aoe because he breath this game in every moment.
he reminds me of Knochen or Khaldor in his prime time (two legendary german casters - one started in cs and other in warcraft)

 

[Progeusz]

I don't want to argue about the other things but yes, he does talk way less about non-gameplay-related topics than pretty much everyone else among the known casters. You can argue about whether this is good - I believe Dave said that he uses those things (such as birds) on purpose - but questioning that stance in general is quite weird.

Just because Memb doesn't go on off topic tangents doesn't mean he is more focused on gameplay. He just keeps repeating token phrases regardless of whether they fit the situation or not. So it LOOKS as if he's talking about the game all the time but in reality what he says often doesn't describe what is ACTUALLY happening. A lot of it is fluff. Dave or T90 often break up the pace with some anecdote or pointing out a funny moment but when they analyze a gameplay situation, you can be sure they will do it accurately and go deep in detail exploring the strategy and possible counters. I like all of those casters but i simply cannot agree with claims that Memb is more focused on gameplay.

 

[SquattingSlav]

After Memb giving a `admin win` against ClassicPro because his home country was bombed i got annoyed. When he than dragged vinch on the screen as an alternative for entertainment i decided to stop watching whatever Memb is involved in ...
So I am extremely happy that Memb is not casting, whatever his style of casting is to me, i don`t want to watch a person with no morals ...

 

[Davion]

Hi Johny Voners

 

[LeoMontero]

After Memb giving a `admin win` against ClassicPro because his home country was bombed i got annoyed. When he than dragged vinch on the screen as an alternative for entertainment i decided to stop watching whatever Memb is involved in ...
So I am extremely happy that Memb is not casting, whatever his style of casting is to me, i don`t want to watch a person with no morals ...

so you want to cancel all rusian people?? no matter what they think?? interesting

 

[kalpit00]

Just because Memb doesn't go on off topic tangents doesn't mean he is more focused on gameplay. He just keeps repeating token phrases regardless of whether they fit the situation or not. So it LOOKS as if he's talking about the game all the time but in reality what he says often doesn't describe what is ACTUALLY happening. A lot of it is fluff. Dave or T90 often break up the pace with some anecdote or pointing out a funny moment but when they analyze a gameplay situation, you can be sure they will do it accurately and go deep in detail exploring the strategy and possible counters. I like all of those casters but i simply cannot agree with claims that Memb is more focused on gameplay.

T90 and Nili are 2k2-2k3s and that shows in their casting. Dave is super good at calling smart things (like just today T90 was casting the Kingstone-Ganji set with Miguel, it was arena and kingstone had 8 vils queued at 23 pop. T90 asked Miguel for a pro's opinion, if that was on purpose or just autopilot, and also said he asks this because Dave had mentioned this as a caster observation that pros do this on Arena to lower their score and make the opponent think they are trushing - like can you imagine how complex this is 11, I don't think Memb ever would even think like this, he would simply call it a mistake or something, while T90 addressed this with such a high IQ move)

No offense to Memb, he is very dedicated but language barrier apart, T90 and Nili just feel more "on-point" with the strategic decisions because they are actually almost as good as the top 50 in the world, so they think alike. Dave, I think just because of his friendship with T90 and overall magnetism allows him to synergize with Nili all too well.