3v3 Tournament Map Pool Survey

[kw1k000000]

that's just like your opinion

What else was it supposed to be

 

[edie]

Arena, Arina, Yucatan, Mongolia, Palisade Arena, Palisade Arina, Mangroove Arina, Scandinavia, Salt Marshal, Black Forest, Home-Land, LandNomad

 

[AkeNo]

What else was it supposed to be

you made it sound like you want to talk for everyone.

 

[kw1k000000]

you made it sound like you want to talk for everyone.

Learn to read or order glasses, it literally reads as “I feel ..” “I think ...”

 

[AkeNo]

one mangrove tournament is enough for next 5 years.

maybe you should learn how to express yourself instead.

 

[Oli King]

If you allow slinging then please create a map where one (or better 2) slingers start fully walled (+market and already in feudal age) and we just embrace the sling.

 

[Henkdesupernerd]

Why not consider using some of MSC maps (or other unknown maps that include large area of Mangrove Shallows)?I recommand some original Mangrove Shallows maps that created by Chrazini , such as MSC_Sonder.
Whether you admit it or not , Mangrove Shallows ought to take an important place in WololoKingdoms.However , most mappool of AOE2 tournaments always avoid any Mangrove maps.It is regrettable.(Thanks to the MSC hosted by MembTV , gave audiences more chance to see some games on Mangrove maps.)

I think for sake of consistency it isnt the wisest to mix maps with different balance in one tournament map pool ( MSC maps with ships being nerfed in this case shouldnt be mixed with other (water) maps, but also maps need to be consistent with the policy of sling nerfs for each map used in the tournament)

that's not really an issue, it makes it actually fairer. First of all ofc it's possible to program that (just copy pasta everything together and put a few if clauses), second is it balanced? For free pick teams will have to search a good civ setup combining both, strength on halfwater/water maps and normal landmaps. Idc what civs they gonna pick exactly for it, but you could eg go for persia/malian pkt and italian/malay flank, but this might vary a lot, so you might see quite some varity in civ matchups. On top of that ofc you can always gamble a little bit and focus either more on Landmaps or Water/halfwater maps, but thats exactly which makes it so interesting, teams have to find the right approach that fits to them. Thats why i would love to see it.
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how about disabling indians shorefish bonus?

disabling indian shorefish bonus won't solve all issues. there will still remain civs that are much more superior (e.g. chinese, japanese)

The game is pretty well balanced but the balance is mostly based on the regular maps we see played (namely arabia).
It can easily become more favorable towards certain civs.
The standard 2 boars, 8 sheep, 6 berries, 3-4 deer make it pretty fair.
but I can easily see things spiraling out of control with:
a) 20 sheep, no other food resources: britons op
b) berries near tc, multiple extra berriebushes scattered around the map (yes, thats land madness): franks op
c) don't start with TC and shorefish everywhere (bedouins fo you): chinese OP
d) shore fish everywhere: indians OP
e) start withmany farms but no other food resources: slavs OP
f) additional hunt: mongols OP.

having maps with such 'favorable' resource availability isn't necesarily a problem, however it often results in amplifying darkage bonuses of civs that already are dominant, which can lead to seeing the same civs and same strategies over and over on these maps; and if the tournament has many of these maps this problem gets even worse (especially when multiple maps with same issue)

Is it possible to force the pockets to mirror each other? If it is then full mirror/team random on mappack games make sense, but if it isnt it would kinda suck to get franks pocket vs frank flank on an ara style map. (exactly the reason that Fixed Position is wanted)

With current technology (UP1.5) it is not possible to set mirrored position, which puts players of same civ opposite to another. However, it is possible to assign lands to players in order of color, or in order of playernumber (order in which you join gameroom).
This means that you can have a tournament where you decide what civs are going to be played (for example: briton(flnk), indian(pkt), mayans(flnk). and then you tell the players that p1 and p2 are britons, p3 and p4 are mayans, and p5 and p6 are indians. In the mapscript it is defined that p5 and p6 spawn as pockets and the other players as flanks, with p1 opposit to p2 etc. In order to make this work, instructions for the players must be clear and it is advised to turn OFF hidden civ, so in gameroom players can check if indeed they face the same civ.

Few more things about 3v3 map ideas:
I would be interested to see a 3v3 tournament with grouped teams: maps like team-acropolis, but different maps: team fortress, team arabia, team arena, team scandinavia. I'm not sure if its fun to watch or interesting to play; but it makesme curious...

Also for unique maps; there are still a ton of good maps out there in several mappacks (just to name a few collections: madrandom mappack, megarandom, hjfe mappack, chrazini mappack, and many good entrees of map-contests) for inspiration check out this overview thread: https://www.aoezone.net/threads/aoc-wk-maps-and-map-packs-overview-thread.109064/

 

[ramzes2000]

black forest

 

[robo]

Just like to give this a bump if there is any more feedback for upcoming events.

 

[robo]

I will also summarise all of the feedback over the next week or so for any more discussions.

 

[Nico77]

I would love to see some good old archipelago, continental or coastal. Good old maps that we rarely see played at top level

 

[Springoftheking]

I think it's is better for tournament, if it have some kind theme, which influences also to maps. Battle of Africa was good 3 v 3 tournament. It had also interesting maps. Couple new special maps for tournament would be cool.

Hybrid maps could be cool, where controlling water helps, but is not game deciding. 3 v 3 versions for HC2 Bay and Cup?

Slinging should at least be banned in feudal. It's boring for slinging player and somewhat boring for viewer. It's more exciting, when all players must play and not just boom and sling.

 

[ACCM]

Agree about it, ban sling please

 

[Faraday]

I think it's is better for tournament, if it have some kind theme, which influences also to maps. Battle of Africa was good 3 v 3 tournament. It had also interesting maps. Couple new special maps for tournament would be cool.

Hybrid maps could be cool, where controlling water helps, but is not game deciding. 3 v 3 versions for HC2 Bay and Cup?

Slinging should at least be banned in feudal. It's boring for slinging player and somewhat boring for viewer. It's more exciting, when all players must play and not just boom and sling.

I understand some people like some people don't. In my case i sttoped watching some games in ECL just because of the sling. I'm not being rude, It was just because I lost the interested in the game because of the sling.

 

[robo]

Moved this thread to the NC forum as that is what it relates to.