What did MBL say to get banned for a week?

[TheCapybara]

I still see NO problem when a streamer uses offensive words. If you have a problem with such words, then just stop watching. Nobody is forced to listen to offensive language.

If you're streaming, you are broadcasting to a public audience where anybody can watch. That comes with responsibilities if you wish to continue doing so, such as not using racist, homophobic or sexist language (plus more besides, obviously).

I think everything is going too much in the wrong direction and any freedom or tolerance is disappearing because of this political correctness. We passed already far the point that political correctness does more good than bad.

Freedom of speech does not provide freedom from consequences, as Odette mentioned earlier in this thread. By all means, feel free to use racist language or go around using 'gay' as an insult. Just don't be surprised when people then call you out on it. 'Political correctness', as you put it, is basically just asking people to be considerate of others and show respect for one another. I find it staggering that this idea should cause such controversy and difficulty. Generally those who protest against 'political correctness' are just expressing a desire to be cruel to others.

 

[mytholia]

If you're streaming, you are broadcasting to a public audience where anybody can watch.

It's not because you CAN watch it, that you HAVE TO watch it.

If you don't like the content, close the stream. Watch someone else...

I am behind this famous and wonderful quote:

"
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It - Voltaire
"

 

[Umdeuter]

My problem is not about mb, but about how soft everyone has become.

Soft like "caring about people not being discriminated against" or soft like "I don't want to take responsibility for my words when I use homophobic or rassist language" or soft like "people in my country are actually getting beaten for their sexuality, so it would be good if we could fight homophobia wherever we can"?

I still see NO problem when a streamer uses offensive words.

Then check out the posts from shm0wt.

If you have a problem with such words, then just stop watching. Nobody is forced to listen to offensive language.

What if I don't have a problem with listening to language but with people being homophobic?

Some people get offended by just everything. For some people, everything is hate.

Uhm, no

I think everything is going too much in the wrong direction and any freedom or tolerance is disappearing because of this political correctness.

I'm pretty sure it's only the freedom of discriminate people and the tolerance for discrimination you are talking. Not any freedom. Which on the other hand actually creates freedom for discriminated people and tolerance for people.

Tolerance is not about "everyone should say and do everything they want". Nobody ever asked for tolerating murder or violence and also the tolerance for insulting people is a pretty new thing to ask for.

Tolerance is for people. People need to be tolerated as what they are.

Not every stupid thing they do must be tolerated. As much as you don't have the freedom to kill someone, you also don't have all freedom in the world to surpress, insult and discriminate others.

When it comes to language, things are less clear and it can be discussed what response for what behaviour is appropriate. There is no objectively correct treatment here as it is with any treatment of unaccepted behaviour / criminal act.

But asking for "freedom and tolerance" and meaning just full support and no consequence whenever you insult other people is ugly, ugly bullshit. And doing so is, by the way, the absolute go-to-strategy of Nazis nowadays, so think about if you really want to use that and what point you're actually making.

 

[IYIyTh]

Why wasn't there a discussion like this and no consequences when Hera used the same slur?

Shots fired

 

[TheCapybara]

I am behind this famous and wonderful quote:

"
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It - Voltaire
"

Okay, so well done, you've just used a famously misattributed quote - Voltaire never said or wrote that, it was written by a biographer in the 20th century (Evelyn Beatrice Hall).

Also, using the attitudes of an 18th-century philosopher to justify modern behaviours is somewhat lacking as a convincing argument. Attitudes have changed, awareness of social issues has developed.

You have every right to say horrible, harmful things. Just when that happens, there will be people there to call you out on it. There will be consequences. If you're a public figure, those consequences can include losing some of your audience because they don't support your use of such language. Just like a friend might take issue with you if you use racist language and stop spending time with you. Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences.

 

[D_Cool]

Just to make it clear, I am by no means homophobic or anything like it. In this situation I said a word that I never use and I shouldn’t have done it, simple as that.

It does happen that people do find me offensive on twitch, in that regard its mostly to people who annoy me or troll or if I’m angry. I do have issues controlling my temper when things get too much in chat in combination with a poor preformance and people enjoy taking advantage of that, it is what it is.

I try to be a good rolemodel for the aoe and people watching, but I dont want to be a fake person and hide who I am and hold my thoughts in all the time. The word I used this time however was not appropriate as I mentioned earlier.

Sorry to people that gets offended, I usually don’t mean it and if you have done nothing wrong and O throw an insult at you, I apologize.

I got a 7 days suspension due to using the word «fa**ot» that slipped out by accident. After admitting my mistake to twitch and explaining I now got my suspension to 3 days in addition with a strike on the channel. Thanks to the people showing support. But Dont try to justify it, I know theres a lot of messed up stuff that happens on twitch, but theres no need to push it.
Cu soon, its not the end of the world, you guys still have viper hera daut joadn t90 memb etcetc. Me being gone a few days is fiiine

I know I've been active in this thread so just wanted to add that I think MbL's response to it all has been great and really the best possible under the circumstances. The roasts and rants from MbL are part of what makes him MbL and I look forward to catching his stream again!

 

[Breakfast]

Okay, so well done, you've just used a famously misattributed quote - Voltaire never said or wrote that, it was written by a biographer in the 20th century (Evelyn Beatrice Hall).

Also, using the attitudes of an 18th-century philosopher to justify modern behaviours is somewhat lacking as a convincing argument. Attitudes have changed, awareness of social issues has developed.

You have every right to say horrible, harmful things. Just when that happens, there will be people there to call you out on it. There will be consequences. If you're a public figure, those consequences can include losing some of your audience because they don't support your use of such language. Just like a friend might take issue with you if you use racist language and stop spending time with you. Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences.

I think it's also worth noting that the attitude of Voltaire's which Hall was writing about was defending another philosopher's book which, somewhat relevantly, had been condemned as heretical for its arguments about morality and religion.

He was arguing that there should be space for discussion, not that he should be allowed to fling personal insults around without repercussions.

 

[Umdeuter]

But did we have any space for discussion if the accused person have been, in fact, a f****t or not?

No, we didn't. There was no space for discussion. That's how dictatorship looks like.

Spoiler

It should not be necessary but: yes, that was sarcastic.

 

[Hunyadi_]

I think it's also worth noting that the attitude of Voltaire's which Hall was writing about was defending another philosopher's book which, somewhat relevantly, had been condemned as heretical for its arguments about morality and religion.

He was arguing that there should be space for discussion, not that he should be allowed to fling personal insults around without repurcussions.

Yes I was going to say something along those lines. It's worth defending free speech when it involves civil intellectual discussions, not inappropriate language designed to hurt.

 

[HongeyKong]

It's not because you CAN watch it, that you HAVE TO watch it.

If you don't like the content, close the stream. Watch someone else...

I am behind this famous and wonderful quote:

"
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It - Voltaire
"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evely...s of Voltaire,principle of freedom of speech.

Just saying...

 

[dcfan01]

I linked react video, because there's no "direct" video.

 

[dodageka]

Who reported him to Twitch is the real question...

I couldn't care less if he's homophobic, transphobic, racist, idiotic, fascist, communist, whatever - I watch him for gaming content not his political opinions. If he wants to be a bad person (which I don't think he is) on his own time, I'm not sure why anybody should even care.

But: if you've watched MBL for any longer than 5 minutes you realize that despite his hilarious temper he's a very caring guy, especially towards his viewers. So, you report him for an insult that was commonly heard in schoolyards and movies all through the 1990's to mid 2000's - when English isn't his first language, and he probably learned as much of it from pop culture as school? Wow, what a supreme asshole you must be to get somebody banned from their livelihood all because you got your soft, delicate, squishy feelings hurt. Maybe next time you could just send a message informing him that this word, while used extensively up until recently, has like the N-word been deemed something so heinous and damaging that you must never say it for risk of instant societal death. What a grotesque perspective this person must have to think their feelings are so important as to wreak havoc on his life, all over a word that they contextualized in a way to which they could personally take offense. Grow the **** up.

If it's so try using it on stream or anywhere in public in one of those other meanings. You can't and you won't because that would mean social death and stigmatisation. Nobody will try to Understand the context before the outrage happens. The words have been effectively weaponised by those who were supposed to he insulted by them.

I’d say the word has been weaponized by people that used it with the intention to insult/discriminate/harm homosexual people and still continue to do so (look at the links that were posted earlier in the thread). This is what turned the word into a weapon, and it is not a coincidence that the usage of it on schoolyards and in pop culture declined with the increased acceptance of homosexuals in society. The word is very much associated with the notion that homosexuals are in whatever way “worse” than others, and that is the only reason it can even be used as a slur

 

[Influenza]

can we as a community brainstorm ways to get the ban duration increased from 1 week to 1 month or more? We should make an example out of mbl

 

[IYIyTh]

can we as a community brainstorm ways to get the ban duration increased from 1 week to 1 month or more? We should make an example out of mbl

I'm going to write a letter to the manager.

 

[_Andrew]

So.. who ratted MBL out? That's what I'm wondering

 

[Rayne]

I try to be a good rolemodel for the aoe and people watching, but I dont want to be a fake person and hide who I am and hold my thoughts in all the time.

This is something I have respected about you for a long time. I have known what I’d like to say are enough fake people online and in real life, and to me it is a big turnoff. Hope you remain this way.

 

[bogusangus]

where can I find a comprehensive list of all unacceptable words on twitch? It would be nice to at least know what NOT to say.

 

[eliz82]

It's homophobic because you are using an offensive term

We now at least know who reported the poor guy to twitch admins. Thank you for make it clear.

 

[orangereaper]

Who reported him to Twitch is the real question...

I couldn't care less if he's homophobic, transphobic, racist, idiotic, fascist, communist, whatever - I watch him for gaming content not his political opinions. If he wants to be a bad person (which I don't think he is) on his own time, I'm not sure why anybody should even care.

But: if you've watched MBL for any longer than 5 minutes you realize that despite his hilarious temper he's a very caring guy, especially towards his viewers. So, you report him for an insult that was commonly heard in schoolyards and movies all through the 1990's to mid 2000's - when English isn't his first language, and he probably learned as much of it from pop culture as school? Wow, what a supreme asshole you must be to get somebody banned from their livelihood all because you got your soft, delicate, squishy feelings hurt. Maybe next time you could just send a message informing him that this word, while used extensively up until recently, has like the N-word been deemed something so heinous and damaging that you must never say it for risk of instant societal death. What a grotesque perspective this person must have to think their feelings are so important as to wreak havoc on his life, all over a word that they contextualized in a way to which they could personally take offense. Grow the **** up.

Completlely disagree and wrong at so many levels.

1. English maynot be his first language, but he streams and interacts with this viewers in English.
So burden on him to learn the ways of the language.

2. Dont shoot the messenger
It doesn't matter who/how reported him. He got banned since he did something wrong (as per Twitch TOS). You or someone may not agree but thats your POV.

3. Two wrongs dont have it right.
What was acceptable in 80's/90's is not a justification for 'it' to continue.
Things change, opinions change.

4. Respect the livelihood.
If this is his primary source of income, then he better take care of it and respect it.
There was a recent streamer who got banned for smashing keyboard on his head. I'm sure his viewers were not offended and enjoyed his 'impulsive' play/stream style. But, be careful, there is line somewhere.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

There was a recent streamer who got banned for smashing keyboard on his head.

Is this true?

 

[Odette]

Is this true?

https://twitter.com/dellor

he streams on YT now

(at least I think that's who he's referring to, this guy smashes a lot of keyboards and yes, he got banned for it 11)

 

[orangereaper]

Banning any world acknowledges the power of said word. I wouldn't call you that word if you didn't give me the insult on the silver plate by fighting to erease it. It would be meaningless if you didn't admit it hurts your feelings.



If it's so try using it on stream or anywhere in public in one of those other meanings. You can't and you won't because that would mean social death and stigmatisation. Nobody will try to Understand the context before the outrage happens. The words have been effectively weaponised by those who were supposed to he insulted by them.

On the contrary it clearly sends the message that BS/Non-sense will not be tolerated. In fact I would go as far as stating that it was reported not because it hurt someone, but rather someone found it offsensive to use such language in otherwise animated chat/interaction.
Looks like the only person hurt is you, in which case the action is to its point.

There are certain words, contexts, phrases that as a society have accepted as being "offensive".
As an inddvidual I may disagree, but I can see the rationale. You (or others) don't have to agree and use various channels to protest. Power to you.
But the approach you are taking/stating it not going to help your cause (IMHO).

 

[orangereaper]

https://twitter.com/dellor

he streams on YT now

(at least I think that's who he's referring to, this guy smashes a lot of keyboards and yes, he got banned for it 11)

You are correct. Here is one (of many) news article. :- GameRant (Streamer Banned From Twitch for Smashing Keyboard Against His Face)

 

[orangereaper]

Did PM him to insult him specifically? How is it homophobic to call non gay person f word? How is it insulting to black people calling white guy N word? How is it antisemitic to call catholic a jew? Fag is a pretty common insult and weaponizing it is just not right.

It's like pewds dropping the n bomb, he lost milions of dollars worth of money and exposure. Just because people felt offended on behalf of they guy that didn't necessairly found it offensive at all.

As I said before I don't have anything against enforcing set rules, I just don't like the rules.
It's kinda like with smoking in the bars. I'm cool with the ban but I'm not cool with the fact that I can't open a bar where smoking is allowed and you come in at your own risk. Tolerance only works one way, hence the argument "grow some balls". I don't want the public debates to deteriortate to slurs and insults, but I don't fancy the idea of converting entire world into safe space

What is suprising about this post is not the blantant ignorance by Misqus (honestly many of us maynot even see this as he is being ignored), but the folks who are giving thumbs-up. Really?

 

[Polluxxx]