In Talk of the Empire they didn't mention something, so i want to post my thought here
I am neither top player nor famous caster, so if you still willing to take a look, I'm very appreciate
What they mainly said:
Nili: About 50% game sling is too much, if it were 25% I'm ok with it
Memb: aM win 9-1 in swiss stage without sling, so why it need nerf?
Zak: (sorry i don't remember 11)
My thought about what they said:
About Nili - I agree about we need to look at detail of each game, but i also think no matter what reason 50% is higher than it should.
About Memb - I'm sorry but I have to say, this is a very bad example. The first two week is Seed1 vs Seed8 or Seed7, Does any strategy used here matter? And for week 3, either we consider they have big difference or not, three games is too small sample.
How to determinate if sling is OP:
Here is a easy part about logic, because if sling OP, it should make one certain team sling stronger than not sling, so
Games of no sling and win DOESN'T MATTER, because if they go sling maybe stronger and still win
Games of no sling and lose MATTER, because if they go sling maybe they can win
Games of sling and win MATTER, because if they don't sling they probably lose
Games of sling and lose DOESN'T MATTER, because if they don't sling maybe weaker and still lose
Examples:
The biggest evidence is that if one player died tooooo bad already, then change to sling and they win in the end, this is not called crazy comeback, this should be called sling op. Three games come to my mind, but shouldn't be only three, maybe anyone remember more can discuss some in the reply!
W1 SY vs VNA G3 (Donut)
Yellow been doubled very hard (actually triple because Lyx also slinging)
His forward half base all be controlled, by military, towers and castles, even lost TC at 25 minute
To be honest as a VNA fan i almost close stream and go to bed
But by the resource Yellow slung, ACCM menage to hold Mayans and Teutons as Portuguese
And after this, BacT have a chance to chop forest to Lyx and destroy there.
W1 SY vs VNA G4 (Colloseum)
Yellow been stolen two elephant and in feudal war -10 villager to his opponent Vivi
At this point, Yellow chose to sling and Vivi chose to go Castle Age
In the end slung Malay eles + Britons xbows success and CA by Vivi under feudal towers failed
W4 LoS vs VNA G1 (Arabia) (the biggest one)
Before minute 15, RiuT down to 19 villagers, while all the others have 31 villagers
I don't think in any condition they should come back, but they did, by sling power
My thought about sling:
I thing sling should be a viable strategy, not a must, and also not "must not"
Like in Arabia 3v3 sling vs no sling 50%-50% ? (not die and go sling, just sling)
And also tower like crazy and go sling seems very convincing by TaToH
Some maps been made to have more tendency to use sling (like donut), and some not
And 2v2 3v3 4v4 quite different, so very hard to find a best tax rate
But in BoA sling power definitely too strong imo
TheViper also said aM wanna play without sling and that's a big weakness in interview
I am neither top player nor famous caster, so if you still willing to take a look, I'm very appreciate
What they mainly said:
Nili: About 50% game sling is too much, if it were 25% I'm ok with it
Memb: aM win 9-1 in swiss stage without sling, so why it need nerf?
Zak: (sorry i don't remember 11)
My thought about what they said:
About Nili - I agree about we need to look at detail of each game, but i also think no matter what reason 50% is higher than it should.
About Memb - I'm sorry but I have to say, this is a very bad example. The first two week is Seed1 vs Seed8 or Seed7, Does any strategy used here matter? And for week 3, either we consider they have big difference or not, three games is too small sample.
How to determinate if sling is OP:
Here is a easy part about logic, because if sling OP, it should make one certain team sling stronger than not sling, so
Games of no sling and win DOESN'T MATTER, because if they go sling maybe stronger and still win
Games of no sling and lose MATTER, because if they go sling maybe they can win
Games of sling and win MATTER, because if they don't sling they probably lose
Games of sling and lose DOESN'T MATTER, because if they don't sling maybe weaker and still lose
Examples:
The biggest evidence is that if one player died tooooo bad already, then change to sling and they win in the end, this is not called crazy comeback, this should be called sling op. Three games come to my mind, but shouldn't be only three, maybe anyone remember more can discuss some in the reply!
W1 SY vs VNA G3 (Donut)
Yellow been doubled very hard (actually triple because Lyx also slinging)
His forward half base all be controlled, by military, towers and castles, even lost TC at 25 minute
To be honest as a VNA fan i almost close stream and go to bed
But by the resource Yellow slung, ACCM menage to hold Mayans and Teutons as Portuguese
And after this, BacT have a chance to chop forest to Lyx and destroy there.
W1 SY vs VNA G4 (Colloseum)
Yellow been stolen two elephant and in feudal war -10 villager to his opponent Vivi
At this point, Yellow chose to sling and Vivi chose to go Castle Age
In the end slung Malay eles + Britons xbows success and CA by Vivi under feudal towers failed
W4 LoS vs VNA G1 (Arabia) (the biggest one)
Before minute 15, RiuT down to 19 villagers, while all the others have 31 villagers
I don't think in any condition they should come back, but they did, by sling power
My thought about sling:
I thing sling should be a viable strategy, not a must, and also not "must not"
Like in Arabia 3v3 sling vs no sling 50%-50% ? (not die and go sling, just sling)
And also tower like crazy and go sling seems very convincing by TaToH
Some maps been made to have more tendency to use sling (like donut), and some not
And 2v2 3v3 4v4 quite different, so very hard to find a best tax rate
But in BoA sling power definitely too strong imo
TheViper also said aM wanna play without sling and that's a big weakness in interview