Re: New Expansion (updated 12 Feb: Info added)
So much for reaching 200 posts without a flame war (however minor), I'm disappointed.
So much for reaching 200 posts without a flame war (however minor), I'm disappointed.
this is the kind of ppl i was talking about they think they are the best players and all lower players doesnt deserve to play even we should kick them from voobly and let them to make a GA server lol so sad reading this kind of bs from a guy who is from germany and they are supposed to be more educated
regarding Mayans changes wtf you doing to plumbs increasing their cost and speed creation just because they are so strong WTF is this....
i dont hate the original idea of this expansion but well why do you have to change many civs =/ let them ok and modifiy and change all the times you want the new civs...but keep other civs like they are at the end this will be the best.
1.Aztecs start with -25 gold /// I don't see any valid reason for doing this, they will mine those extra gold anyway,Its just unnecessary burden for everyone.
for mining the gold 1 villager is needed, and opponent can scout if he the azz did it or not.
without mining only 3 miliza are possible, atm u can do 5 without mining.
2.Turtle Boats -10% cheaper (180 wood, 180 gold)/// players opt for turtles under very specific situations so making such OP unit cheaper is not a good idea.
tell me the situations u used it. i used it like 2x in 8 years AoC
3.War Wagon creation time decreased from 25 to 21 seconds (cost restored)/// LOL EWW are too hard to kill and giving them boost is ridiculous, Koreans are very good in feudal war best civ for trush, they are slow in castle&early imp but they rule in post imp.
Seriously?
4.Camels +1 PA, -5 gold// camel is basically a defensive unit there is no point in boosting them, u have to consider how OP this will make Indian camels and also unnecessary boost for sara & byz.
agree, this must be testet very carefully
I'm not a native english speaker so I used wrong sentence . I should've said decent in feudal war.1.Aztecs start with -25 gold /// I don't see any valid reason for doing this, they will mine those extra gold anyway,Its just unnecessary burden for everyone.
for mining the gold 1 villager is needed, and opponent can scout if he the azz did it or not.
without mining only 3 miliza are possible, atm u can do 5 without mining.
2.Turtle Boats -10% cheaper (180 wood, 180 gold)/// players opt for turtles under very specific situations so making such OP unit cheaper is not a good idea.
tell me the situations u used it. i used it like 2x in 8 years AoC
3.War Wagon creation time decreased from 25 to 21 seconds (cost restored)/// LOL EWW are too hard to kill and giving them boost is ridiculous, Koreans are very good in feudal war best civ for trush, they are slow in castle&early imp but they rule in post imp.
Seriously?
agree, this must be testet very carefully
As for as aztecs are concerned ,we can make 5 militia without using vill... I mean so what? you normally drush when u are aztec that is their strength, their crossbows don't have thumbing also.
Are there changes planned about fish traps? maybe they could be a bit cheaper ops:
I understand it and I will be kind enough to translate this for you.
What the gentleman said is...
'My skills suck ass, I always get beaten by huns and koreans because I never progress in this game. I am also not smart enough to agree with my opponent to not use huns or koreans before the game starts.'
That's pretty much it.
You're welcome.
11 why always 15xx need to tell that the game is perfectly balanced :lol:
if hun isn't op tell me why the team of beta-testers (nearly all xperts of AoC) made so many changes on them?
just go in your rook games and make some "funny" hunwars without houses, stonewalls and op ca, gl hf
this is the kind of ppl i was talking about they think they are the best players and all lower players doesnt deserve to play even we should kick them from voobly and let them to make a GA server lol so sad reading this kind of bs from a guy who is from germany and they are supposed to be more educated
anyway stone wall for huns is ok ,removing it just because they cant beat players who have been using huns during all his life and they try to beat them with sarra lol yeah of course this expansion must remove HUNS from the game too much huns hater here without imagination this why carlosFerdinand can laugh about hun lovers even if he is a hard head he doesnt compalin about huns lovers infact he choose goths to counter them why ppl just dont do that instead of removing something original...
regarding Mayans changes wtf you doing to plumbs increasing their cost and speed creation just because they are so strong WTF is this.... plumbs speed is ok and cost, they need it to counter xbows i can bet if you do that to mayans DAuT will refuse to use them again making them expensives and slower so whats the next when u realize that 20% bonus on eco is superior than any other bonus in all game??? let me guess decreasing it to only 10% :|
i dont hate the original idea of this expansion but well why do you have to change many civs =/ let them ok and modifiy and change all the times you want the new civs...but keep other civs like they are at the end this will be the best.
Hello. I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who grasps how hokey this whole situation is.Hear hear!
+1
When I took my time to reflect about this "expansion" I came to the same conclusions. Well said good sir.
AoC is very very balanced right now, we don't need a change. Mark my words that this little egoistical (considering people have to ask for Cysion's permission like lapdogs what they are allowed to stream) project will only make the game imbalanced.
Since they seem to be watering everything down, the "expansion" will be boring to play IMO. Most are happy with (or in love with) the game as it is, and won't even bother downloading this **** after the initial hype dies down.
Also I hate to rain on the parade but no new players are going to show up to an old game because of a fan-made expansion, LOL, it's just not going to happen.
The only thing that you could possibly accomplish, if your expansion is any good, is splitting the community in half. Great goal. Great job. Great noble project to do FOR FREE (omg!!). Not....
What makes me most sad about this thread however is the hoard of idiots who are riding Cysion's little **** so hard. Do these people think he is a god or something? Lol. Do they not realize that many people could have done this project, just that Cysion is the first one who lacked the decency, common sense, and respect for the game not to bastardize it?
I just find it hard to understand. These people don't even stand to gain anything from the success of this project. They aren't going down in history or anything. Are they that delusional or lacking in their lives to invest so heavily in this?
Stuff like this makes me sick because I'm such a genuine person and I hate the apparent fact that 99% of people are ignorant and self-deluded or like to pretend.
Off topic: The last 6 months while I was away from AoC, I was actually re-constructing a different video game which was discontinued. The reason behind this project was the sheer incompetence of the other project attempting the job (they took 3 years and still sucked ass, we did it in 3 months). I felt sorry for all the players placing their hopes into this ridiculously bad project for 3 years and getting nothing but incompetence, false promises, from idiotic developers. The most ironic thing was that in the end, when we had a 100% stable game running and the old project had not improved anything significant, most of those players still believed in them simply because they didn't want to admit that all they invested was a waste and were reluctant to come over to ours. (Many more players who saw how hokey the other project was from the beginning showed up which made us happy.)
I try not to deal with these kind of people (both the dumb developers and all their fanboys) but it's hard... they are everywhere. Riding ****s, ignorance on display, politically correct but logically handicapped. As much as I'd love to **** on every one of these people personally, I think I am far outnumbered so I will have to pick sparingly.
Bottom line is: Do yourself a favor and think seriously about ANY project before you start supporting them. This is business 101 and life 101. Also (to Cysion): do everyone else a favor and think it through 100% before starting your own project, so that you are not leading sheep down a pointless course or towards harming themselves.
Hello. I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who grasps how hokey this whole situation is.Hear hear!
+1
When I took my time to reflect about this "expansion" I came to the same conclusions. Well said good sir.
AoC is very very balanced right now, we don't need a change. Mark my words that this little egoistical (considering people have to ask for Cysion's permission like lapdogs what they are allowed to stream) project will only make the game imbalanced.
Since they seem to be watering everything down, the "expansion" will be boring to play IMO. Most are happy with (or in love with) the game as it is, and won't even bother downloading this **** after the initial hype dies down.
Also I hate to rain on the parade but no new players are going to show up to an old game because of a fan-made expansion, LOL, it's just not going to happen.
The only thing that you could possibly accomplish, if your expansion is any good, is splitting the community in half. Great goal. Great job. Great noble project to do FOR FREE (omg!!). Not....
What makes me most sad about this thread however is the hoard of idiots who are riding Cysion's little **** so hard. Do these people think he is a god or something? Lol. Do they not realize that many people could have done this project, just that Cysion is the first one who lacked the decency, common sense, and respect for the game not to bastardize it?
I just find it hard to understand. These people don't even stand to gain anything from the success of this project. They aren't going down in history or anything. Are they that delusional or lacking in their lives to invest so heavily in this?
Stuff like this makes me sick because I'm such a genuine person and I hate the apparent fact that 99% of people are ignorant and self-deluded or like to pretend.
Off topic: The last 6 months while I was away from AoC, I was actually re-constructing a different video game which was discontinued. The reason behind this project was the sheer incompetence of the other project attempting the job (they took 3 years and still sucked ass, we did it in 3 months). I felt sorry for all the players placing their hopes into this ridiculously bad project for 3 years and getting nothing but incompetence, false promises, from idiotic developers. The most ironic thing was that in the end, when we had a 100% stable game running and the old project had not improved anything significant, most of those players still believed in them simply because they didn't want to admit that all they invested was a waste and were reluctant to come over to ours. (Many more players who saw how hokey the other project was from the beginning showed up which made us happy.)
I try not to deal with these kind of people (both the dumb developers and all their fanboys) but it's hard... they are everywhere. Riding ****s, ignorance on display, politically correct but logically handicapped. As much as I'd love to **** on every one of these people personally, I think I am far outnumbered so I will have to pick sparingly.
Bottom line is: Do yourself a favor and think seriously about ANY project before you start supporting them. This is business 101 and life 101. Also (to Cysion): do everyone else a favor and think it through 100% before starting your own project, so that you are not leading sheep down a pointless course or towards harming themselves.
This is my last answer to you.
I just want to say that you might be very smart (which I doubt when I read your post, but nevermind), but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
I wonder what your rating is, but at equal level (an the higher the level is, the more it's true), some civs are clearly stronger that others, and some units are clearly more effective than others (eg. huns/mayans/viks (on water maps, which means FR too) and eg. CA). And this is not only true on some maps/settings. It's true on most of them.
To me it clearly means this is broken and needs to be fixed.
If it clearly needs to be fixed and it's done well (and it will be), that it has the power to become universal thanks to a good propaganda and money tourneys, then it is a viable project.
If you think there's nothing broken, you lack or knowelage on it or sence of logic (or both).
And there are many many things that you do not know. Because they are still private.
So once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
The way you are discussing things is not constructive at all. You bring nothing new. It looks like you are just expressing your negative feeling (and frustration?) towards 98% of the people, that you estimate to be under you (and you have no clue what you are talking about, again), and I shouldn't even answer to your posts. So unless you finally say something that have some sence, I'm done with you.
Camels already counter paladins very well.Ideas for camels.
First, the small cost reduction will help them counter Paladins better.
next suggestion: remove longsword and make twohandguy castle-unit (maybe with -1 attack)
next suggestion: remove longsword and make twohandguy castle-unit (maybe with -1 attack)
Wouldn't this boost the champ flood a crazy amount?
Everyone has thoughts on balance, but I trust the beta team more than any of the other things posted here. I guess it's time to peace out a bit now.
We're making new rooms to the house and we fix the leaks in the other rooms while we're at it. You're the community, so eventually you will decide whether you want to live in this new house or not. But until there's no concrete result, I see little to no use in jumping onto every detail.
Mainly because I just have absolutely no time for it :P I limit balance discussions to the beta team, because that's what they're picked for and because that's what they're good at. I discussed with L_Clan_Ruso_ for a while yesterday and at these points I listen and elaborate. But 99% of the suggestions seen here are also posted & discussed in the beta forums. If you think you must stand up for the rights of your favorite civs, don't worry, someone in the beta team is doing this already. This team takes their job seriously and they're damn good at it. The most useful thing that you can do in this topic is come up with new ideas and suggestions. The existing changes are not even set in stone. Some are tests (camel strength, free carto), some are already planned to be removed in the next version (plum creation time).
So for all I care, for your time, for my time and for the constructive nature of this topic, limit yourself to new suggestions. Existing changes are not random and are heavily debated in our private forum, which has 1500+ posts already! Besides there will be a public beta later anyways....
Thanks for listening!
Are siege towers available to all civs?