Nobody said that. Stop jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst.Why only admins are allowed to have good will
Nobody said that. Stop jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst.Why only admins are allowed to have good will
Because as far as we know they have been doing fantastic job for long years and there's no reason to NOT trust them. There were some small controversies here and there, sure, but they either got resolved peacefully or were very minor and they were situations where it was hard to really blame anybody, more like unfortunate coincidences/misunderstandings where decisions were justified.and [why] we should trust them
Are you seriously advocating for PLAYERS to decide how penalties should be handled? That's ridiculous. And yes, that's what your comment implies in the context of this discussion. If you meant something else, express yourself properly.while players don't have the same opportunity.
Based on what? It seems 3% is a standard penalty for minor violations.I'd say the application of the rules was overly harsh.
Drama threads got boring for me because they always got filled with the same cast of characters performatively whining about drama and negativity on AoEZone despite their consistent history of feeding these things themselves.I agree with the 2.8/10 drama rating, but still appreciate the attempt.
We have been dramaless for a while now and urgently need more material
Then put this in the rules. "Small violations get you a 3% penalty, disqualifications come with 50% penalty unless you've won the earlier rounds because of the rule break." Or something like that.Based on what? It seems 3% is a standard penalty for minor violations.
Then put this in the rules. "Small violations get you a 3% penalty, disqualifications come with 50% penalty unless you've won the earlier rounds because of the rule break." Or something like that.
I feel it is counterproductive to punish the most valuable resource we have in competitive AoE2: the actual high level players.
Don't forget without the players we wouldn't have any tournaments to organize. All these casters and organizers basically feed off the the high level ability of the players.
At the end of the day players don't need casters. They get by just fine with donations and subs on Twitch + whatever YT revenue they get.
But casters do need players, because without the players their content is literal trash.
Why only admins are allowed to have good will and we should trust them while players don't have the same opportunity.
We certainly haven't seen any examples of this recentlyYes! Let's trust the players! Let the players make their own tournament. I'm sure they will love making a handbook (if they even bother to), dealing with scheduling issues, dealing with communication issues, giving ALs to their peers. I'm sure you will find many volunteers! /s
Badly run tournaments organised by players? Now who could you possibly be aiming that at?We certainly haven't seen any examples of this recently
I feel it is counterproductive to punish the most valuable resource we have in competitive AoE2: the actual high level players.
Don't forget without the players we wouldn't have any tournaments to organize. All these casters and organizers basically feed off the the high level ability of the players.
At the end of the day players don't need casters. They get by just fine with donations and subs on Twitch + whatever YT revenue they get.
But casters do need players, because without the players their content is literal trash.
You seem to be forgetting that the people you are referring to literally built their streams from nothing on the backs of expert players playing ranked games and tournaments against each other.Must be a troll 100%
T90 content is basically casting low Elo guys which made him the biggest aoe streamer.
If it wasn’t about the organizers of tournaments and castes this game would be dead long time ago.
How would anybody know about Hera/viper/bact etc if there weren’t people like memb/t90/nili /zeroempries who were screaming their names into the camera in front of 10000 viewers ?
You seem to be forgetting that the people you are referring to literally built their streams from nothing on the backs of expert players playing ranked games and tournaments against each other.
They casted the best players at that time. Doesn’t matter if the name was viper. If I would have been the best player they would have casted me. But yes they also took viper and Hera etc.
But memb for example streamed 8 hours a day Black Forest 4v4.
T90 did his low Elo legends and also the others had their series with normal players.
Pro players, especially special players are not needed. You could take any other player and hype him.
The legend of fouf is one video from zero empires on YouTube or klaymen47 in the best game ever.
Actually it does matter if the name was viper. Those streamers first built their following among viewers who were already interested in competitive aoe2. Those people would definitely tune in for Jordan vs Viper, but not so much dimbo36 vs armoredwarrior79. Only after this audience was captured did t90 move onto content that no one other than casual aoe2 players/viewers would enjoyThey casted the best players at that time. Doesn’t matter if the name was viper. If I would have been the best player they would have casted me. But yes they also took viper and Hera etc.
But memb for example streamed 8 hours a day Black Forest 4v4.
T90 did his low Elo legends and also the others had their series with normal players.
Pro players, especially special players are not needed. You could take any other player and hype him.
The legend of fouf is one video from zero empires on YouTube or klaymen47 in the best game ever.
Well too much player-centric organizations can also fail. Like Lakers, Heat on the other hand with opposite approach and shining.Don't forget without the players we wouldn't have any tournaments to organize. All these casters and organizers basically feed off the the high level ability of the players.
I don't think top level players have any trouble attracting viewers on Twitch. Just look at other games that don't have tournaments such as Diablo 2. MrLLama regularly attracts thousands of viewers playing D2R. He doesn't play in any tournaments. He's simply the best D2R player in the world.Must be a troll 100%
T90 content is basically casting low Elo guys which made him the biggest aoe streamer.
If it wasn’t about the organizers of tournaments and castes this game would be dead long time ago.
How would anybody know about Hera/viper/bact etc if there weren’t people like memb/t90/nili /zeroempries who were screaming their names into the camera in front of 10000 viewers ?
I don't think top level players have any trouble attracting viewers on Twitch. Just look at other games that don't have tournaments such as Diablo 2. MrLLama regularly attracts thousands of viewers playing D2R. He doesn't play in any tournaments. He's simply the best D2R player in the world.
My point wasn't to put down organizers and casters, they definitely provide a service and entertainment. My point is that the players are the most important resource we have, let's be careful with "punishing" them because they can just one day decide to literally quit.
MBL doesn't need this, he's got a job. Do we want to lose a player of his caliber because of a missed interview which nobody watches anyway? Like let's get real here for a second.
Actually it does matter if the name was viper. Those streamers first built their following among viewers who were already interested in competitive aoe2. Those people would definitely tune in for Jordan vs Viper, but not so much dimbo36 vs armoredwarrior79. Only after this audience was captured did t90 move onto content that no one other than casual aoe2 players/viewers would enjoy
Don't you remember casting 5 hours of the nightly mbl vs hera 1v1s? not sure if you caught the games though might have been more focused on the birds flying about the mapViper left the game for a year right after I started. The details are a little hazy but I seem to recall casting this high rated "flu" guy one time due to lack of games. If my memory serves me correct that was the day I learned that rating doesn't always lead to entertainment and I took my ass immediately to the new player lobby. "Amazing Learn" on voobly or as we now say "Low Elo Legends" would have never happened if not for this experience and for that I'm forever grateful!