No offense but opening a topic where everyone can talk about balance is just useless.
Make a group of experts/people who have a lot of knowledge and make a sub-forum for it that will be much more useful.
You already have reddit with 10 topics per day with this same subject. :P
We've definitely been reading this topic and it's very nice to get such a big amount of high level feedback. There is currently no publicly available timeline for further HD balance changes but we're definitely not at our last balance patch. It's also important not to rush things too much. We've had Viking galley wars dominating the meta for 17 years, seeing the Italians on top now for a few months won't be the end of the world. Although we are aware that Condottieri are not properly balanced atm, it's important to make the right decisions, to make sure we're not just blindly passing on the water crown to another civ. Some balance items are easier to solve than others as well (Khmer battle elephants are a no brainer), keeping Condottiero interesting as a team unit with so many team bonus and situations to judge is a whole other ordeal. But that's why it's so important to not jump the gun and carefully consider all high level feedback given here.
Thanks all for playing and providing feedback!
I'm going to name a number of changes and would like to know which you'd like a) in regular wk b) in a seperate wk data mod c) not at all
Thanks Cysion! As the reddit thread has shown, having seperate WK and HD balance isn't in high demand. It's also what I'm personally more comfortable with rather than having two efforts at the same time for good balance. Copy-pasting drom reddit:
I'm going to name a number of changes and would like to know which you'd like a) in regular wk b) in a seperate wk data mod c) not at all
- X-patch trade cart change (two pop, twice as effective, double cost, hp, train time etc.) to reduce late-game lag in TGs
- A sling nerf (e.g. move sling techs up an age, make the tax 50-35-20 instead of 30-20-0. Can be adjusted of course)
- Slav farming fix (would be a boost for slav lategame)
- Onager cutting removed, replaced with an imp tech enabling cutting for the onager line, with a long research time and a moderate to high cost
1 and 2 are not going to be in HD because of scenario compatibility issues. 3 might be in a future update. 4 is possible, but unlikely.
Your addition to the discussion is really useful, Mr elitist.No offense but opening a topic where everyone can talk about balance is just useless.
Make a group of experts/people who have a lot of knowledge and make a sub-forum for it that will be much more useful.
You already have reddit with 10 topics per day with this same subject. :P
Your addition to the discussion is really useful, Mr elitist.No offense but opening a topic where everyone can talk about balance is just useless.
Make a group of experts/people who have a lot of knowledge and make a sub-forum for it that will be much more useful.
You already have reddit with 10 topics per day with this same subject. :P
You are right, no mater how you will balance the game you will end up with some civs dominating into some areas.We've had Viking galley wars dominating the meta for 17 years, seeing the Italians on top now for a few months won't be the end of the world. ... it's important to make the right decisions, to make sure we're not just blindly passing on the water crown to another civ.
Is that a joke?-italians strongest on water ... i din't remember this civ ever dominating water
You are right, no mater how you will balance the game you will end up with some civs dominating into some areas.We've had Viking galley wars dominating the meta for 17 years, seeing the Italians on top now for a few months won't be the end of the world. ... it's important to make the right decisions, to make sure we're not just blindly passing on the water crown to another civ.
Old aoc had some part of historical accuracy into it. Vikings really dominated water for some time because they had used longboats to navigate both oceans and the interiors rivers (european navy didn't had this type of ship); Sarazin won battles vs armored european knights; Mongols had largest land empire in history; Mayans where very good lightweight barefoot runners, huns had a very mobile army they often used fire to burn everything (so very strong vs buildings), turks used gunpowder and build massive canon guns, goths appeared (out of nothing, spamming military units) and finishing the Roman empire domination in the world, etc
But making:
-italians strongest on water ... i din't remember this civ ever dominating water
-berbers replacing mongols at the most efficient land unit ... never heard by berber empire, or malean empire, or etiopian empire. why are you making strongest in the game civs that nobody heard?
-paladins not being used anymore in tournament games (i don't think you intended this ... but this is the result). short range armoured horse cavalry was used in almost all major battles from roman empire up to first world war. probably most important military unit in history.
So I must say I find awkward some power balance changes to this game.
Oh god, someone thinks that they are inherently better because of their ability to play a videogame. It is always funny when that happens. Dude, grow up. Don't make yourself a laughingstock. Also, please learn punctuation.Your addition to the discussion is really useful, Mr elitist.No offense but opening a topic where everyone can talk about balance is just useless.
Make a group of experts/people who have a lot of knowledge and make a sub-forum for it that will be much more useful.
You already have reddit with 10 topics per day with this same subject. :P
go back to reddit noob
Basicly no need to mix up game balance with historic acuracy. AOE civs always were historically inspirations nothing more nothing less. If you start bother yourself wtith comparing them inm historical acuracy its a sea of problems You will see. Most could not meet. Some even did not excist in the same time period. And Still Italians were a great naval force while berbers hand exceptionally stronmg cavalty indeed. Unfortunatelly they never faced the Mongols the Huns and Italian City States never meet the Viking naval dominance from few centuries earlier.
Huh.. I just spected a TG and it seems Elite Mameluks recieve NO attack bonus against Imperial Camels.