Yeah i wasnt trying to say that myself either was just trying to point out in some situations(not all too often) it can be better, and early- mid imp Pala + HC is almost always a better option as it has a much smoother transition. though i would possibly argue that Pala HC and Champ are better in more situtions than just Pala and HC. but again this does not come into play until very late game in TGs. Its just that Spioch was making it sound like there was absolutely no reason to ever make champs in place of HC.