Yeah in this situation although lclan has the right to keep fighting, replaying the game is some serious disadvatage given to rvk for no fault of theirs. There aw is the fairest solution.
i dont quite agree with your logic here. legion would be disadvantaged by rvk admin win, because we can't be 100% sure that they would have lost the game. that is not an assumption, it is a fact, since it is a fact that we cant predict the future. it doesnt matter if chances were 10% or 0000.1 %. in the end legion would be disadvantaged.What we know so far for sure is that RVK had an advantage when the game froze. So, if we restart the game, we are disadvantaging RVK for sure, as we are sure they had an advantage in the frozen game. But, if we give AW to RVK, we assume that we are disadvantaging The Legion because we assume (in theory, but we don`t know for sure) that they might have been able to recover and win.
They've already got their punishment for that, so that is irrelevant.but considering that RVK also has members with bad record (dogao and riut smurfing cain in another competition), they shouldn't get fair treatment.
ain't that right, Oakley?
Yes. Always uderdog team will insist on rematch. Look at attached game between BSK and SWJ in WCL 1. SWJ had obvious advantage, blue champion flooding 11. SWJ_WINDY hussar + Heavy Calvertry combination. However BSK said game is not finished, they still have chance to win. And eventually, SWJ lost the rematch. It's exactly what L_CLAN said. If L_CLAN win the rematch it's not fair play at all to RVK.rvk had it obviously。
Decide and give AW that's what admins should do,right?
Imaging there's no admins,if game froze and could not restore,of course every time ,you bet, the uderdog team will insist on rematch.
Feudal | Castle | Imperial | |
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BsK_halen | 00:11:05 | 00:24:13 | 00:48:19 |
BsK_erer_s | 00:12:48 | 00:16:48 | 00:40:05 |
_SWJ_windy | 00:11:10 | 00:21:28 | 00:42:30 |
_SWJ_Twintc_CN | 00:11:32 | 00:23:23 | 00:54:07 |
_SWJ_Tinybirds | 00:13:26 | 00:17:28 | 00:45:53 |
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_SWJ_Twintc_CN |
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Yes. Always uderdog team will insist on rematch. Look at attached game between BSK and SWJ in WCL 1. SWJ had obvious advantage, blue champion flooding 11. SWJ_WINDY hussar + Heavy Calvertry combination. However BSK said game is not finished, they still have chance to win. And eventually, SWJ lost the rematch. It's exactly what L_CLAN said. If L_CLAN win the rematch it's not fair play at all to RVK.rvk had it obviously。
Decide and give AW that's what admins should do,right?
Imaging there's no admins,if game froze and could not restore,of course every time ,you bet, the uderdog team will insist on rematch.
what do you mean by rematch? they didn't restore the game?
They've already got their punishment for that, so that is irrelevant.but considering that RVK also has members with bad record (dogao and riut smurfing cain in another competition), they shouldn't get fair treatment.
ain't that right, Oakley?
I'm still having troubles realizing how anyone can believe L_Clan even had 10% chance of winning that.. I know I'm RVK, but game seems 100% over to me (I didn't play it).
But yeah, again I am RVK, so I guess everyone is expecting me to say it..
Guess we gotta wait for admins decision.
I guess the real question is if the experts on this thread believe that RVK had a >75% chance of winning.
If they did then the 100-0 outcome (AW) is more fair, if they didnt then the 50-50 outcome (restart map) is more fair..
There is about a 0.0000000000001% chance of you guys winning the gold rush game, and that's if the admins find out that Carlos Ferdinand was smurfing for Jordan.
OMG WAH WAH U ARE A NOOB IM XPERT WAH WAH.IMPERIAL_GOD said:Just realise why noobs are noobs. And how noobs also comment on this forum. Like people saying halberdier kill mamelukes etc.
Congrats Buga, although I thought it unreasonable to declare an admin win to RVK, you have proposed a logical explanation as to why RVK should get the admin win unlike any person before has expressed why. How you were wording it, I thought you might suggest L clan have to idle tc for first minute of game or something, but it makes sense. Well done!
BTW I never said anything about restarting the GR game becouse i think it would be unfair to RVK, I'm sad with some rvk members actions that i thought were my friends, i just stated that the game was not 100% over, ofc rvk has a big advantage.BTW I don't know if Ruso had a conversation with Hani and Alive about it, I told Ruso to post here but i think he has no free time at all to do it.
Well, Buga, but you must put on L Clan shoes. Isnt it unfair that admins decide your loss. Even if u were loosing by all the advantage u wanna consider, don't u wanna see the "You've been defeated" sign after typing gg. We dont know what could have happened. What if one of the players deleted accidentally some castle, whatever. What if they got distracted and lost some units. Yes it might be impossible, but we never know what might have happened. I think that all teams have the right to fight to the very end.
Of course, on the other hand restarting would be unfair for RVK. And I won't say nothing about that , cause it is obvius why. But people here laugh at Legion cause they wanna keep the fight, even if it's lost. What pple dont do, is think about themselves in that situation, and think how would they act. My point is, that even if the game was gonna end in 15 min, the other team haas the right to continue fighting.
Btw I'm not defending any resolution or decision, just giving my thoughts, and the reason why Legion may be arguing, and some of u do not understand
Sorry for bad english
Buga,I'm very impressed. Do you study law?
I agree 100% with your opinion, not because I am in favor of the RVK or the Legion, but simply because after 13 pages of topics, you're the ONLY ONE who presented a foundation for your idea. And your foundation is not based on technical issues and uncertainties about the possibility. You simply regarded as a judge try a case, examined the facts presented and made the decision as consistent as possible.
Just to complement your thinking: what happened was a fatality, no one decision from now on be able to be 100% fair, however, the function of a judge is just make the decision correctly as possible. Therefore, the decision that creates less prejudice in this situation is AW for RVK.
OBS: Like always, i am sorry if the words dont make much sense, my english is not so good.
I guess the real question is if the experts on this thread believe that RVK had a >75% chance of winning.
If they did then the 100-0 outcome (AW) is more fair, if they didnt then the 50-50 outcome (restart map) is more fair..
Wrong, actually. Hm, do experts have any tool to precisely measure chances of winning? As I already said, chance of winning is not important at all, because all we say will be just another assumption. The only thing we all know for sure is that (1) RVK had an advantage in the game that (2) can not be restored, and those are the only facts we can act upon. We can`t make it any better than it is, but we can try not to interfere beyond we should, not to make it worse. I don`t like AWs either, but in this situation, it is the only logical thing to do (as said earlier, complete explanation here).Correct! (If we decide that there is no other way dealing with the situation than AW or restart)
Read my whole post again, and try to understand it this time, please. I said all that already - we do not know if RVK would win in the end (if Legion would lose or win), and we can only assume they could win or lose. The only thing we do know (not an assumption) is that RVK had an advantage when the game froze, and that the game can`t be restored - and those are the only relevant facts we should act upon. We could (1) disadvantage RVK for sure (by restarting the game, as they already had an advantage), or (2) maybe disadvantage Legion (as they might have been able to recover, but might not... and probably not, but that is irrelevant). Not to repeat myself, read my post again.i dont quite agree with your logic here. legion would be disadvantaged by rvk admin win, because we can't be 100% sure that they would have lost the game. that is not an assumption, it is a fact, since it is a fact that we cant predict the future. it doesnt matter if chances were 10% or 0000.1 %. in the end legion would be disadvantaged.What we know so far for sure is that RVK had an advantage when the game froze. So, if we restart the game, we are disadvantaging RVK for sure, as we are sure they had an advantage in the frozen game. But, if we give AW to RVK, we assume that we are disadvantaging The Legion because we assume (in theory, but we don`t know for sure) that they might have been able to recover and win.
Read my whole post again, and try to understand it this time, please. I said all that already - we do not know if RVK would win in the end (if Legion would lose or win), and we can only assume they could win or lose. The only thing we do know (not an assumption) is that RVK had an advantage when the game froze, and that the game can`t be restored - and those are the only relevant facts we should act upon. We could (1) disadvantage RVK for sure (by restarting the game, as they already had an advantage), or (2) maybe disadvantage Legion (as they might have been able to recover, but might not... and probably not, but that is irrelevant). Not to repeat myself, read my post again.i dont quite agree with your logic here. legion would be disadvantaged by rvk admin win, because we can't be 100% sure that they would have lost the game. that is not an assumption, it is a fact, since it is a fact that we cant predict the future. it doesnt matter if chances were 10% or 0000.1 %. in the end legion would be disadvantaged.What we know so far for sure is that RVK had an advantage when the game froze. So, if we restart the game, we are disadvantaging RVK for sure, as we are sure they had an advantage in the frozen game. But, if we give AW to RVK, we assume that we are disadvantaging The Legion because we assume (in theory, but we don`t know for sure) that they might have been able to recover and win.