Two Pools 2 open discussion

[marco47]

What is this performence by MBL?

He absolutely dominated Liereyy in castle age, but then threw his army many times. It cost them the game.

 

[Johnny Walrus]

Man the drops today were painful. Dudes couldn’t even restore

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

I cannot get over this Arabia game. Mbl and Nicov were so close to winning.

 

[orangereaper]

Nicov is the slam of AM (or other way round, though it doesn't matter).
He just cant perform in a tournament. Same with MBL, to lesser extent tnough.
These duo (Nicov+MBL) were doomed even before this specific Bo7 started.

Lierry+Hera played well, but it was sub-par performance by other.

The first game, it seemed to be mispatrol by MBL to lose all his archers that costed them the game.
Rest of the games they (MLB, Nicov) were either out-cived, out-strarted, out-macroed, out-microed or out-alled.

This was no match. Boring to watch TBH.

 

[Philippe le Bon]

I hope Suomi will win, because in AoE2 tournament history it's painful to see the number of times they've been in the Grand Finals without winning in the end.

I will cheer for them 100%.

 

[Crusify_me]

Just wanted to give my thoughts on the second semis between Tempo vs aM (I essentially consider it aM boyz vs aM boyz)...

a) I agree that in the event of a full crash/drop, the decision to restart or forfeit, etc. needs to be taken out of the players. Concrete tournament rules need to be in place so that there is no confusion even if it may seem "unfair" to either the winning/losing team. I believe in the integrity of the current pro players to not purposely d/c to force restarts or stream-snipe during tournaments that allow streaming, etc.

b) I think the tournament hosts were fortunate that there was no controversy involving the 2nd game and that it was essentially good friends vs good friends and Tempo (props to them) decided to give up the map instead of restarting (which the rules dictate). Tempo was actually ahead economically (13 vils ahead and thats including aM's fishing ships) but aM was considered "ahead" in the game. You can argue that aM was in a better position to win, but I wouldn't say it was such a significant advantage especially considering they were against Hera/Liereyy. No way a win was guaranteed in that game. Yes, it would've been unfortunate if aM had to restart and lose their advantage, but imagine if you're Tempo and being forced to resign and lose the map just because you were behind in Castle/Early Imp Age. It was simply a good display of sportsmanship by Tempo to give up the map to their good friends and move on. I don't know if Tempo do that against another team and you know the fan boys of those teams would've been flaming Hera/Liereyy because they didn't resign, like wdf?

c) There was a narrative today that it wasn't really a good display of sportsmanship by Tempo because they wouldn't have resigned if they were down 0-1. No, they probably wouldn't have, but just because you're up 1-0, you have NO REASON to resign either. If it was you playing or the team that your fanboying over was playing and they were "slightly behind" and then were forced to forfeit the map even though the rules dictate a restart, yeah you'd be pretty pissed. Good on Tempo and good on aM today (for that first Islands restart). Was hoping MB/Nicov made it through but it was a decent run for them!

 

[RogganWololo]

Yo is an utter beast and watching him play with Lyx is always a thing of beauty.

I feel like Suomi could take some inspiration from that, and have Max play the Lyx role to give Villese an untouched boom to carry the game (if the map and civ match up calls for it). I think they will need it for the final (assuming they'll face Tempo).

They need daddy Rubenstock to play that role :D

 

[Tarsiz]

They need daddy Rubenstock to play that role :D

I love Rubenstock but he's not at the same level. I would even argue Max isn't quite at the same level as the very top guys anymore, and having the ability to go wreak havoc on the enemy side while your partner get a free boom is massive (like Yo's absolute masterclass on how to play Franks).

 

[Zeev]

Too bad that the finals will be very one sided. I'm betting 5-1 to Tempo. And that is not a slight against Suomi. Tempo just is so OP right now. Two best players in the world, who have played together so long and can play in the team using their own strengths. Hera and Liereyy are a match made in heaven, their styles fit so well together.

Only map where Suomi can beat them is Team Islands. I don't like what has been the second map pick of Suomi so far in the tournament: Coast to Mountain. It's also pick of Tempo and really fit them well. I think, if Suomi wants to have any chance, they have to change that to Forest Pond. Only other map where Tempo has struggled. In fact: Forest Pond is the only map where Tempo has lost all their games so far.

Third and fourth maps should also be something closed or where early aggression is hard to pull: Fortress or Hideout or something. Tempo has been banning Hideout though, if they can't ban Team Islands. And with home map wins, they still have to win on Arabia, which I don't see happening against two best Arabia players.

 

[WarningImFast]

You'd be crazy to write off Suomi no matter how good Tempo are playing.

 

[marco47]

Two best players in the world, who have played together so long and can play in the team using their own strengths.

Yeah, there's little else to say, has there ever been a team so stacked? I was looking for 2v2 tournaments with Jordan and Viper back then but I couldn't find any info.

 

[marco47]

Nicov is the slam of AM (or other way round, though it doesn't matter).
He just cant perform in a tournament. Same with MBL, to lesser extent tnough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko5u4ReigA8&ab_channel=Lidakor-AgeofEmpiresCaster
Can you tell me which team won this match?

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Yeah, there's little else to say, has there ever been a team so stacked? I was looking for 2v2 tournaments with Jordan and Viper back then but I couldn't find any info.

Pretty sure there was a Masters of Arabia where they played together and am almost sure they won it too.
Must have been 2012 or 2013.

I clearly remember Daut teamed Dreams (who was like the only guy who streamed in those days) and when they faced Fire and Goku, Daut died every single game without saying anything .
Every time Dreams would ask "are you ok?", Daut would go "I'm kind of dead".

 

[Ovenka]

Imo Suomi has great chance of winning, Max and Villese are made for TGs. They play together for such a long time, their performance consists more of cooperation than quality, like 60:40, for Tempo I would say it is opposite 40:60 for quality. They are both a bit better and can win games just by being so good. I would bet on Suomi who showed excelent performance vs GL and especially vs China, who has probably same quality of cooperation as Suomi does, but it depends more if Lyx can disturb other team for time long enough to have Yo in the best possible position where he is best TG player for me. 5:3 for Suomi.

 

[oozkan]

Supporting Suomi today, just underdog things. I hope it won't turn out a walk in park for Tempo.

 

[dataidiot]

Only map where Suomi can beat them is Team Islands. I don't like what has been the second map pick of Suomi so far in the tournament: Coast to Mountain. It's also pick of Tempo and really fit them well. I think, if Suomi wants to have any chance, they have to change that to Forest Pond. Only other map where Tempo has struggled. In fact: Forest Pond is the only map where Tempo has lost all their games so far.

And Tempo has Chinese for Coast to Mountain...

EDIT: I'm confused I see the civs switched in some streams.

 

[Lightysword]

Great Game 1! Amazing play by Suomi, amazing hold from Tempo while it lasted.

 

[Zeev]

Series have gone pretty much as expected outside of Arabia. That was a little bit of a surprise, but on rest of the maps Tempo has outplayed and even outstratted Suomi. Tempo is new Secret, they'll win every team game tournament for a long time.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

There has never been a duo like Larry and Hera. No one even threatened them so far durign this tournament

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

Tempo is new Secret, they'll win every team game tournament for a long time.

Not so fast man, they signed up with Hearttt for the 3v3 tournament. Kappa

 

[The Bloodless]

There has never been a duo like Larry and Hera. No one even threatened them so far durign this tournament

DauT + slam

 

[dataidiot]

Team Islands and Islands should be played with standard victory.

 

[dataidiot]

Quite an underwhelming game from Villese. Incas shouldn't have a chance against Mongols on water.

 

[_Andrew]

Viper+Jordan back in 2014 or whenever that big 2v2 tournament was where they beat VNS in the final was definitely the most stacked team ever. They were the top 2 players in the world and there was no one even remotely close to their level.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

They were the top 2 players in the world and there was no one even remotely close to their level.

I haven't seen that series but there wasn't even 10 % of the competition back then than what we have at the moment.