Agree with most of this. The way some people reply here it seems to be a competition of who can mock the hurt guy the best.This is the first time something AoC related has made me genuinely angry and sad. The players from Turkey A have already received a very severe punishment appropriate to their behaviour. They are banned from NC II, banned from the next NC and Emin was banned from the next major voobly event and removed from the staff.
In reality what those punishments have done is destroyed Turkey A for years and they all seem to have quit apart from Emin. Maybe that's fair enough given what they did. Like I said at the time, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that the actions of one individual skilled at social manipulation (as Viper can attest) can cause such damage.
Either way, the scope of those punishments was clearly limited to the NC series and in Emin's case the next big voobly event. What you're doing now reeks of a witch hunt. You're trying to ostracize him from independently run events and have taken it upon yourself to needlessly extend an already severe punishment. What purpose does that serve? Is the original punishment not enough for your tastes? Did you disagree at the time?
To the people asking, this had nothing to do with the people who donated. Or if it did, then I wasn't involved in any way. I've already committed to helping sponsor MoA3, but needless to say I won't be supporting this event in future.
@ Rauschgiftsuchtige
I privately messaged Emin late last night before publishing the final brackets.
Public humilitation was never my intention and I did nothing to facilitate that.
+2This is the first time something AoC related has made me genuinely angry and sad. The players from Turkey A have already received a very severe punishment appropriate to their behaviour. They are banned from NC II, banned from the next NC and Emin was banned from the next major voobly event and removed from the staff.
In reality what those punishments have done is destroyed Turkey A for years and they all seem to have quit apart from Emin. Maybe that's fair enough given what they did. Like I said at the time, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that the actions of one individual skilled at social manipulation (as Viper can attest) can cause such damage.
Either way, the scope of those punishments was clearly limited to the NC series and in Emin's case the next big voobly event. What you're doing now reeks of a witch hunt. You're trying to ostracize him from independently run events and have taken it upon yourself to needlessly extend an already severe punishment. What purpose does that serve?
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If Voobly had ruled that Emin's punishment should include a blanket ban from tournaments for six months or an outright ban of his account, I would be fine with Emin's exclusion from Masters of Arena 3. However, the fact is Voobly didn't shut down Emin's account. They restricted his ban to the Nations Cup and the next major Voobly event. However much people dislike Emin, he has every bit as much of a right to participate in this community as anyone else, up until the point he earns an outright ban.
Dear Community,
I am making this statement as the team leader of Turkey A team. First of all, I wasn’t sure about writing this statement, but I needed to clear somethings here that are wrong. At the end I decided to tell the story and inform all the AOC community.
First, it is true that I play rated games with Ertug and I also did speak with him in Teamspeak. It might confuse you because of the history of Ertug, but for the last few years he has been helping Voobly with anti cheat hacks and also not using any hacks or cheats himself, so basically he gives hacks to Voobly is not allowed to cheat on Voobly and in return is allowed to play. Because of I knew about these, I didn’t consider any problem to play rated games with him, many people still refuse to play with Ertug and I can understand that, but it is also hard for me to reveal who he is when asked. I do apologize for that and to any friends I have offended. If I thought he was cheating or doing anything wrong then I would not play with him at all.
Second, I can guarantee that Ertug has not played Nations Cup matches for Turkey A. Also, the person who made the accusation is in Turkey B team. Before the tournament I witnessed that, RA_Berk invited all the Turkey A team members to his team and tried to dismiss Turkey Team A. A player with all these hate and envy casts aspersions on that Ertug is playing in Team A under Rusher nickname; and now lots of people points their fingers to us. Isn’t it obvious that “yaslikurt aka RA_Berk” doing all these accusations for a reason.
Third, Ertug had access the GLX_Rusher account and kept asking us to play in Nations Cup. We allowed him to play with us in rated games and do training. But as I said he has not played any Nations Cup matches, and the GLX_Rusher name has now been removed from our Team. I hope this clears up the confusion of Ertug playing Nations Cup for Turkey A.
Sincerely,
Emin ~
:roll:I've known GLX Rusher as a cheater from years back. How admins even allowed him in NC is beyond me.
Masters of Arena 3 is not hosted by Voobly. Voobly can only determine rules of participation for their own tournaments. I know you reflect upon this point for the remainder of your post, but it still cannot be emphasized enough.
Because you seem to say that Voobly decided that Emin should be allowed to play any other tournaments, but they did not: If they had the power to decide that Emin would not be allowed to play any other tournament, they might have made that call. But they restricted themselves to only dishing out a sentence they could actually enforce. Therefore saying that Voobly's decision was final, and that no other actor can impose their own restrictions on when he can play again is wrong. Voobly hasn't said "yes" or "no" to Emin participating in MoA3. And rightly so, it's none of their business.
Who you rolling them eyes at baby boy:roll:I've known GLX Rusher as a cheater from years back. How admins even allowed him in NC is beyond me.
Masters of Arena 3 is not hosted by Voobly. Voobly can only determine rules of participation for their own tournaments. I know you reflect upon this point for the remainder of your post, but it still cannot be emphasized enough.
If the tournament is played on the Voobly platform, it does to a certain extent come under Voobly's jurisdiction (though I don't know if they actively enforce that). Even setting that aside, I can accept that they have a right to turn down certain players. I just don't accept that that is legitimate. If some player I happen to have a very big fight with wants to join my tournament, I have every right to turn him away. However, this would be a morally dubious use of my power.
Because you seem to say that Voobly decided that Emin should be allowed to play any other tournaments, but they did not: If they had the power to decide that Emin would not be allowed to play any other tournament, they might have made that call. But they restricted themselves to only dishing out a sentence they could actually enforce. Therefore saying that Voobly's decision was final, and that no other actor can impose their own restrictions on when he can play again is wrong. Voobly hasn't said "yes" or "no" to Emin participating in MoA3. And rightly so, it's none of their business.
Yes, I do think Voobly decided that Emin should be allowed to play in other tournaments, and there's a very simple reason. If they didn't want to allow him to do that, they would have banned his account. Voobly does have the power to shut down his Emin account and to bar him from all future tournaments which use the Voobly platform. The fact that they didn't suggests they didn't consider that a proportionate and necessary punishment.
However, this would be a morally dubious use of my power.
If the tournament is played on the Voobly platform, it does to a certain extent come under Voobly's jurisdiction (though I don't know if they actively enforce that). Even setting that aside, I can accept that they have a right to turn down certain players. I just don't accept that that is legitimate. If some player I happen to have a very big fight with wants to join my tournament, I have every right to turn him away. However, this would be a morally dubious use of my power.
Yes, I do think Voobly decided that Emin should be allowed to play in other tournaments, and there's a very simple reason. If they didn't want to allow him to do that, they would have banned his account. Voobly does have the power to shut down his Emin account and to bar him from all future tournaments which use the Voobly platform. The fact that they didn't suggests they didn't consider that a proportionate and necessary punishment.
You say you're accepting of all punishments, but still making this post.I have never tried to get away with it, I did deserve all the punishments that are applied on me. Most important part is as u can see that I have also lost respect of some people and I can understand that as well. The point I can't see is, is that going to affect all the tournaments? if so, please go ahead and take a decision regarding that and I swear i won't complaint about it ever. Because this is bullshit that I was allowed in first place and I've even seen myself in barackets then got removed when tournament about to start.
I'm calling to the sponsors and Voobly team, if that is the case that I will not be allowed in all aoc events, just let me know and I swear won't even complain about it if that is the case.
I think you don't understand where you're at in all of this. You don't get to be selectively accountable, or punished only by some standards.
I love seeing people make good on second chances, we all need them at one point or another. But you took a flamethrower to your second chance, and made the same mistake as the first time. I think a better outlook for you would be to expect to not to be allowed to play in tourneys, and be grateful when someone does extend an opportunity. Playing in these tournaments and being a part of the community is not a right, it is a privilege. And with your past, making entitled and rage based posts will gain you no public favor.
Emin is not angry because of the admin decision he must be pissed off because that decision was impulsed by edie, he must be thinking **** this im out because of him, cause this tournament could have been the only way he could have played againts him.
The best way to settle things down was allowing emin to kick edie's *** =( now we will keep reading attacks from edie towards emin without any games for the community, good job.
Honestly the only thing I find wrong here, is that Swissboy told he had nothing to do with descision and it was donators, but then multiple sponsors comes and says they weren't contacted or informed about it in any way, which is deffinetly wrong and should be addresed.
The word "legitimate" (which in your mind seems to mean "approved by voobly") has no meaning here. This case is not governed by any form of law of ethics, and how you conclude that "this would be a morally dubious use of my power" is not that clear. It seems that the MoA3 admins just want to dissociate themselves from E., who has a very bad reputation, and they have any right to do so. Nothing is lost for them if E. does not participate, and arguably it is only to their advantage.
If Voobly acted as you describe that they could / should have acted, I would say that would be a morally dubious use of Voobly's powers. The fact is that Voobly leaves it to each and everyone of us to determine for ourselves whether we want to play with Emin. Personally, I don't have a problem with it - if I hosted a tournament then Emin would be welcome. I would be upset if Voobly took my choice from me, as you seem to suggest that they should.
This is a bad analogy. It would be more relevant to compare it to a job interview, where the interviewee was fired from his previous position for theft, and claims that having been punished by the firing and legal consequences, his previous theft should not be relevant in the hiring process. The prospective employers, 9 times out of 10, decide to protect their business by avoiding the risk of hiring a confirmed thief.
Like you said, it isn't a Voobly organised tournament, so it doesn't matter what Voobly had to say about the matter.