there is so much more potential for a properly produced show this way. Definitely looking super much forward to it
Forgotten ECL?
there is so much more potential for a properly produced show this way. Definitely looking super much forward to it
Got the problem: you missed the "least half" part. Obviously I wasn't suggesting Hera or Liereyy going to qualifiers. Only the least half of the invited players.Every player can lose against every player (to a certain extent). Hera or Lierrey can lose to a top 100. But how many times out of 20 times that will happen? 1? 2 ?
Nah I'd be really surprised if people were really prone to reject a travel to Europe with all costs covered.Most computer games "nerds" are introverted and i am willing to bet that, if given a choice, at least 50% would play a potential big hybrid(lan+online) tournament from home, this becoming an online tournament
About the invited players themselves, the least half could've been defeated by a qualifier guy.
Based on Capoch's take on his own topic, I also think that qualifiers/invites should've been 50/50. I'm not saying that those invited players would be defeated of course, they could all have been qualified themselves. But I'm saying that they could at least have proven that they are up to that level and preparation by going through a qualifier. While also giving other contenders more chances and spots.
That's yet another decision by the organizers that risks compromising the tournament's quality. But let's see how it goes, I'm rooting for it to be one of the most epic tournaments of the decade despite all the criticisms that I have and I think is due.
No, of course not. But I also know the difference between a start-up tournament hosting organization and a professional company that take tv is.Forgotten ECL?
If you set your expectation at "everybody comes including Yo and Dogao" just so that you can say "I told you so" when they're not coming, then that's pretty weak.i hope everyone can come ( including Mr Yo and Dogao), but at current situation, i better lower my expectation.
No I didn't 11Got the problem: you missed the "least half" part. Obviously I wasn't suggesting Hera or Liereyy going to qualifiers. Only the least half of the invited players.
my expectation at "everybody comes" means 10 invited players + 2 qualifiers .If you set your expectation at "everybody comes including Yo and Dogao" just so that you can say "I told you so" when they're not coming, then that's pretty weak.
They are not coming, we know that already, did you even look at the invitation list? If one of those doesn't come, then we can talk.
No I didn't 11
I guess you refer to 5 out of this 6 players
Villese: (beated viper in a previous edition, general good performanace in all RBW)
ACCM (got to semifinals in RBW3)
Vinchester (consistently top 16 or top8 in any big tournament, good performance in RBW in general)
Nicov / MBL (consistently top 16 or top8 in any big tournament, even RBW)
TaToH (consistently top 16 or top8 in any big tournament, except RBW 4 where he was in vacation for most of the qualifiers)
Any of this players are clearly favorite against a Qualifier player (with some exceptions, of course)
Long story short is, yeah, the format of the tournament it's maybe not fair for all the players equalliy, but the list of invited players per se it's top notch (with obvious exceptions, I know)
Quite sure now Dogao wouldnt be in anyway unless he had played the qualifier and won (Ofc quite likely he would have won a spot but for sure not guaranteed). Seems like RB chose the invites from the odd score system they showed during RBW4 ranking all players. And afair Dogao wasnt top 10 in that ranking so no invite for him.Yes, really sad that Dogao and Mr. Yo won´t be on the tournament, even fully vaccinated.
if "invites from the odd score system they showed during RBW4 ranking", then Villese and Nicov are also not qualifier to invited.Quite sure now Dogao wouldnt be in anyway unless he had played the qualifier and won (Ofc quite likely he would have won a spot but for sure not guaranteed). Seems like RB chose the invites from the odd score system they showed during RBW4 ranking all players. And afair Dogao wasnt top 10 in that ranking so no invite for him.
You couldnt be more wrongif "invites from the odd score system they showed during RBW4 ranking", then Villese and Nicov are also not qualifier to invited.
RBW1 | RBW2 | RBW3 | RBW4 | |||
1 | Liereyy | 2600 | 3~4 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
2 | Hera | 1850 | 3~4 | 2 | 5~8 | 2 |
3 | Yo | 1700 | 1 | 3~4 | 5~8 | 5~8 |
4 | Viper | 1650 | 2 | 3~4 | 5~8 | 3~4 |
5 | Daut | 1470 | 5~8 | 9~16 | 1 | 5~8 |
6 | ACCM | 990 | 9~16 | 9~16 | 3~4 | 5~8 |
7 | Vinchester | 990 | 9~16 | 9~16 | 5~8 | 3~4 |
8 | Villese | 940 | 9~16 | 9~16 | 3 | 9~12 |
9 | MBL | 820 | 5~8 | 9~16 | 13~16 | 5~8 |
10 | Nicov | 770 | 9~16 | 5~8 | 13~16 | 9~12 |
11 | Tatoh | 750 | 5~8 | 5~8 | 9~12 | 17~24 |
12 | dogao | 590 | 9~16 | 9~16 | 17~24 | 9~12 |
13 | TheMax | 570 | 9~16 | 5~8 | 13~16 | - |
14 | Capoch | 475 | - | 5~8 | 9~12 | 25~32 |
15 | Vivi | 450 | 17~24 | 17~24 | 9~12 | 13~16 |
16 | LaaaaaN | 420 | 5~8 | 9~16 | 33~64 | 33~64 |
17 | BacT | 325 | 25~32 | 17~24 | 9~12 | 17~24 |
18 | Jordan | 225 | - | - | 25~32 | 9~12 |
19 | Slam | 295 | 9~16 | 25~32 | 17~24 | 17~24 |
20 | F1Re | 270 | 9~16 | 17~24 | 25~32 | 25~32 |
21 | Sitaux | 225 | 25~32 | 25~32 | 25~32 | 13~16 |
22 | Miguel | 195 | 33~64 | 9~16 | 33~64 | 25~32 |
23 | Valas | 175 | - | - | 25~32 | 13~16 |
24 | Daniel | 175 | 33~64 | - | 13~16 | 25~32 |
25 | SongSong | 150 | - | - | - | 13~16 |
did u notice he said "RBW4 ranking" not " 4 RBWs ranking"?You couldnt be more wrong
he said it was shown during RBW4, not that it is RBW4 rankingdid u notice he said "RBW4 ranking" not " 4 RBWs ranking"?
then correct saying is "shown during 4 RBWs".he said it was shown during RBW4, not that it is RBW4 ranking
Nice try, Nicov and VIllese both deserved to be invited no matter which metric you are referring to.did u notice he said "RBW4 ranking" not " 4 RBWs ranking"?
i didn't try anything, it's just from my understanding is "RBW4", from your understanding is "4 RBWS".Nice try, Nicov and VIllese both deserved to be invited no matter which metric you are referring to.
1) RB ranking system shown during RBW4 (aka RBW1~4)
2) RB ranking shown during RBW4 (aka RBW1~3)
3) RBW4 Ranking
RBW4 9~12i didn't try anything, it's just from my understanding is "RBW4", from your understanding is "4 RBWS".
nothing is right or wrong here.
if it can make you happy, then i say " yes, u are right! 100% right!"
yes, u are right! absolutely right!RBW4 9~12
Nicov
Villese
Jordan
dogao
Tell me. How are "Villese and Nicov are also not qualifier to invited."? The only argument is "Jordan and dogao also deserved to be invited, and if they decided to only invite ten players based on RBW4 performance, decider matches should be made".
ECL was a good LAN tournament. Really good games over all, maybe the final wasnt the best, i think mostly because the settings with a lot 1-1 and 2-2.No, of course not. But I also know the difference between a start-up tournament hosting organization and a professional company that take tv is.
besides that, I only argues that a lan has more potential, not that it is a guarantee for a great event
NOt realy ..... they showed the total ranking during RBW4 (or more like at the end) and only at that event alone. So shown during 4 RBWs would be quite wrong as they never showed it elsewhere and how even as it would ofc miss points from future RBWs not played.then correct saying is "shown during 4 RBWs".
So both Dogao and TheMax should be ahead of Capoch in the invited players by the ranking?Even without the points you can easily see some players past performance are more outstanding.
(The points are not official, but the tourney results should be right.
RBW1 RBW2 RBW3 RBW4 1 Liereyy 2600 3~4 1 2 1 2 Hera 1850 3~4 2 5~8 2 3 Yo 1700 1 3~4 5~8 5~8 4 Viper 1650 2 3~4 5~8 3~4 5 Daut 1470 5~8 9~16 1 5~8 6 ACCM 990 9~16 9~16 3~4 5~8 7 Vinchester 990 9~16 9~16 5~8 3~4 8 Villese 940 9~16 9~16 3 9~12 9 MBL 820 5~8 9~16 13~16 5~8 10 Nicov 770 9~16 5~8 13~16 9~12 11 Tatoh 750 5~8 5~8 9~12 17~24 12 dogao 590 9~16 9~16 17~24 9~12 13 TheMax 570 9~16 5~8 13~16 - 14 Capoch 475 - 5~8 9~12 25~32 15 Vivi 450 17~24 17~24 9~12 13~16 16 LaaaaaN 420 5~8 9~16 33~64 33~64 17 BacT 325 25~32 17~24 9~12 17~24 18 Jordan 225 - - 25~32 9~12 19 Slam 295 9~16 25~32 17~24 17~24 20 F1Re 270 9~16 17~24 25~32 25~32 21 Sitaux 225 25~32 25~32 25~32 13~16 22 Miguel 195 33~64 9~16 33~64 25~32 23 Valas 175 - - 25~32 13~16 24 Daniel 175 33~64 - 13~16 25~32 25 SongSong 150 - - - 13~16
I guess?So both Dogao and TheMax should be ahead of Capoch in the invited players by the ranking?