NAC3 Qualifier - Settings

[Nili_AoE]

Schedule

• ro16: 2nd-7th of December (free scheduling - Bo7s)
• ro8 8th-13th (13th latest starting time is 16GMT) of December (free scheduling - Bo7s)
• Semis (Bo7) Saturday 14th - Play time: 13GMT - Stream time: 17GMT & 20GMT
• Finals (Bo9) Sunday 15th - Play time: 13GMT - Stream time: 18GMT

Both players have to send their recorded games within 30 minutes of completion of the series to robo_boro#5469 on Discord or via mail robo.40k@gmail.com

Spoiler: Find recs here

Prizepool - Qualification to the NAC3 Main Event & $500

I will put $350 into the prizepool and Anonymous added $150

• 1st: Qualification to the NAC3 Main Event
• 2nd: $300
• 3rd/4th: $100

Mappool

• Arabia
• Arena
• Cenotes
• Golden Pit
• Hideout
• Islands
• Medi
• Serengeti
• Valley
• NAC_Cross
• NAC_Fortress (played as Regicide)
• NAC_Graveyards
• NAC_Land_Madness

Land_Madness starting berries got reduced from 3 to 2. Berry bushes from 5 to 4 patches.

Maps should go in this folder: C:Steam\steamapps\common\AoE2DE\resources\_common\random-map-scripts

Game Settings

Spoiler: Game Settings

Game: Random Match / Regicide for Fortress
Size: Small (2 player)
Difficulty: Standard
Population: 200
Resources: Standard
Game Speed: Normal
Reveal Map: Standard
Starting Age: Dark Age
Victory Condition: Conquest
Team Together: [X] Yes
All Techs: [ ] No
Allow Cheats: [ ] No
Lock Teams: [X] Yes
Lock Speed: [X] Yes
Record Game: [X] Yes

Player Restarts
There are no restarts for this tournament.

Civilizations
Pick civilization without repeating within a series.
[X] Hide Civilizations has to be on.

Bugged Map & Admin Restarts
A player can request bugged map restarts during the first 6 minutes (game time).
A bugged map is defined as the following for standard resource starts:
Gold: Less than 5 tiles of a main gold cluster are at least accessible on one side, extra gold are excluded.
Stone: Less than 4 tiles of a stone cluster are at least accessible on one side, extra stones are excluded.
Berries: Less than 4 tiles of a berry cluster are at least accessible on one side.
Animals: Spawned with less than the standard resources or the animals being trapped.

Graphical Mods
Any graphic changes that only affects the player's Age of Empires II are allowed.

Cheating
Cheating is not allowed under any circumstances. Players using any kind of cheat will be disqualified from any future Nili-Events.

Respect & Fairplay
Every player must respect their opponent. Bad behavior will result in a warning and may lead to immediate disqualification of the player. This tournament values not only great skills, but also sportsmanship and fairness. Any insult, non-PC behavior or flaming will not be tolerated. Laming and mind games in game are allowed.
Players are requested to limit the time between games as much as possible to make the experience as smooth for everyone as possible.

Punctuality
Players have to be on time. Being late will result in a 10% reduction of their prize money (stacking up and transferable to the main event). Being 15 min late will result in an admin loss.
Same ruling applies to sending recorded games to Robo.

No Smurfing
All players have agreed to the no smurf rule.

Stragglers & Laming
Players are not allowed to delete the straggler trees which spawn within 10 tiles of an opposing player’s Town Center. This rule does not apply if the straggler tree which is being deleted forms part of a wall for the defending player. "Laming" of fish is forbidden as well.
On maps where main forests are exclusively straggler trees, it is strictly forbidden to delete straggler trees from opponents (using the "palisade trick") unless they are being used as part of a mid-section of a wall.
Players are not allowed to steal a boar with a scout.
Every other form of laming is allowed.

Player colors
Players have to use the same color in every game of a series.
Picking a wrong color will result in a 3% reduction of their prize money (stacking up and transferable to the main event).

Sharing results
Players are not allowed to share any results before the official broadcast finished.
Players have to make sure that there is no live spectating option.

Spoiler: Map Drafting

Map Drafting
Higher seed := A
Game 1: Arabia
Pick A
Pick B
Ban A
Ban B
Pick B
Pick A
Pick A
Pick B
...
BO9:
+
Pick B
Pick A

Loser of the previous map picks one of his HMs.
Arabia can not be picked as a HM.

Streaming Policy

Spoiler: Streaming Policy

• All the games will be streamed on http://www.twitch.tv/nili_aoe who is also guaranteeing the prize pool.
• Due to the AoE2:DE spec situation, there will only be casting of recs
• Every caster is allowed to cast the recs (somewhat) simultaneously or at any time after Nili's broadcast
• I will try my very best to inform casters about stream times at least 24h ahead of time
• Players aren't allowed to stream their POV's live
• There is a subforum in my discord, where robo will post the recs
• It's appreciated to mention the NAC3 main event

 

[dogao]

Is there a way to restore?

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Players are not allowed to steal a boar with a scout.

 

[F1Re__]

hi theres only 4 maps on the map pack

 

[teutonic_tanks]

boarlaming forbidden wtf

 

[robo]

hi theres only 4 maps on the map pack

The other maps are standard DE maps.

 

[marciocolombia]

• 1st: Qualification to the NAC3 Main Event
• 2nd: $300
• 3rd/4th: $100

Did vivi get the visa?

 

[F1Re__]

The other maps are standard DE maps.

ooh no 11

 

[TriRem]

The other maps are standard DE maps.

NotLikeThis

 

[RogganWololo]

boarlaming forbidden wtf

My guess is because 1-hit laming is too powerful, you can steal without losing hp

 

[Bowserlord]

u still allowed to lame like hell.
U just arent allowed to "steal a boar with a scout".

 

[teutonic_tanks]

My guess is because 1-hit laming is too powerful, you can steal without losing hp

Yes sure that makes laming easier, but couldnt you just move the boars 3-4 tiles closer to the tc? The player should also just adapt and take the boar once they scout them and not just according to their build.

 

[Bowserlord]

most players and casters are somehow "deadlocked"; if there is change, which is either bad or good, just different, it will be considered as bad, cause it differes from the origin way to play.
e.g. if a castle has like a special amout of % while u build it, its harder now to hit the villagers behind (cause the building grow).

 

[SilentTV]

Thanks for the effort, I am sorry that the spectator mode DE has problems so far. I will be attentive to the recordings to transmit them in Spanish

 

[Kamigawa]

They are playing the tournament on a new game with new features, new civs, different graphics and you call them deadlocked 11; i agree so much to the no laming boar rule since it is sometimes just a matter of luck and also i have no idea why they changed one of the basic mechanics of the game.

 

[GhostOfYoda]

Players are not allowed to steal a boar with a scout.
Every other form of laming is allowed.

One might want to clarify whether scout includes Eagle Scout, or only the only Scout unit. (Clearly the spirit of the law is both, but the letter is ambiguous). Or has this been left deliberately vague so that we have our mandatory dose of Admin Loss drama later on...?

 

[MaSmOrRa]

One might want to clarify whether scout includes Eagle Scout, or only the only Scout unit. (Clearly the spirit of the law is both, but the letter is ambiguous). Or has this been left deliberately vague so that we have our mandatory dose of Admin Loss drama later on...?

Eagle Scout is by definition...ermm...a Scout?
Is it not?
Sounds perfectly fine to me.

Common sense needs to prevail here.
If you really want to have lawyer-proof rules, you'd need a 200 page document.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

One thing I do think is missing and I'm affraid could end up being a point of contention - and since we now have servers - is who decides which server will be used to play the games?

If you have, say, Dogao vs Vinchester, will it be played on the European Server or the South American? Who gets to decide?

Or does it not make a difference at all while playing?

 

[Bowserlord]

One thing I do think is missing and I'm affraid could end up being a point of contention - and since we now have servers - is who decides which server will be used to play the games?

If you have, say, Dogao vs Vinchester, will it be played on the European Server or the South American? Who gets to decide?

Or does it not make a difference at all while playing?

there is no real difference

 

[Scogo_]

ro16: 2nd-7th of December (free scheduling - Bo7s)

Map Drafting
Higher seed := A
Game 1: Arabia
Pick A
Pick B
Ban A
Ban B
Pick B
Pick A
Pick A
Pick B

BO7 means we need potentially 7 maps

G1 Ara + 6 picks = 7 maps
2 bans => we end up with only 5 maps;
Aren't we missing 2 maps?
(i guess

Edit:
I get it, we also pick a Homemap i guess.

Also

Loser of the previous map picks one of his HMs.

Please elaborate @Nili_AoE. Thanks.

Just what does "Loser of the previous map" refer to?

 

[Rey_Fer]

Just what does "Loser of the previous map" refer to?

What I understand (but I really don't see another interpretation)

Bo7, so Game 1 is arabia and 3 HM per player (1+3+3=7)

Game 1: Arabia
Game 2: HM of looser of G1
Game 3: HM of looser of G2
Game 4: HM of looser of G3
Game 5: HM of looser of G4
Game 6: HM of looser of G5
Game 7: HM of looser of G6


Edit to make it more clear:

Home maps are chosen before the 1st game, and I guess they must be different. Each player picks a map, then each player bans a map and then each player picks 2 maps. There are 12+ maps in the map pool, so plenty of room to choose.

 

[Seb1234]

Edit:
I get it, we also pick a Homemap i guess.

Both players pick 3 maps each (the homemaps) + Arabia.
They don't ban already picked maps of the opponent but rather ban maps that are still in the mappool during thepicking process so the opponent cannot pick them later.The number therefore stays at seven maps.

 

[Scogo_]

perfect, i had the misconception that we somehow ban already picked maps. That clears it up, thanks.

 

[T90Official]

there is no real difference

I'm not so sure "there is no real difference" actually.

I played a few games vs dogao in DE2. I was really impressed by the response time and said so to him, to which he replied "what's your ping."

My ping was 150 and his was 300. So yeah, I imagine there are ping discrepancies due to distance from server @MaSmOrRa

 

[Rey_Fer]

I'm not so sure "there is no real difference" actually.

My ping was 150 and his was 300. So yeah, I imagine there are ping discrepancies due to distance from server

Phisically, there are always going to be time differences due to distance to servers, nothing can be done about that. The point is if there is a real issue. (imagine 100 ping vs 200 ping, is it a real disadvantage?) That is more subjective.

If it is the case, there are 4 logical solutions and admins should choose one: (I call pA the ping for player A and pB the ping for player B for a given server)

• Best combined result: they play in the server whose combined ping is lowest =min(pA+pB)
• Most close ping: they play in the server where the ping is most equal for both players =min( |pA-pB| )
• Higher/lower seed decides: this is a very easy solution as there is no need to communicate the pings to each server, but it is not the fairest. It may be used to compensate the fact that higher seed chooses map first.
• Nili decides: yes, dictatorship. Also could make sense because there is going to be a LAN and you can give advantage to people living closer to the server, so potentialy cheaper flights

Personally, I don't think this is going to be a big issue, but you can never know. Most importantly, this could set up a precedent and a procedure for upcoming tournaments