King of the Hippo - Feedback Topic

[pedro]

i think i was a really nice and fun tourney ... from what i saw/played (q8, grand-final) there were some really close victorys and last minute (or last second (i'm looking at you glokken 11)) wonder steals ...

but i agree with dracont that gathering and saving up resources till the others run out of gold (or even wood?) looks like the best strategy (even if in my case it didn't succeed ^^) ... so if there will be more ffa koth tournaments the games might become more and more passive, whitch would make them less entertaining ...

not 100% sure how this could be prevented ... maybe if the wonder-timer wouldn't reset to 100 years but to something like 50 years after the wonder is captured that would encourage more aggresive play ... also the initial timer imho could be like 50 or 100 years less, to encourage earlier aggresion ... but i'm not sure if its that easy (or even possible) to change the timers ...

all in all: nice tourney and thx nili for hosting

 

[VeNaCe]

it was nice i just missed a nomad game

 

[Brainless]

I think thats exactly the beauty of this setup. It takes the game to a new, psychological level. Play poker

Thx I play poker every day.

So pedro hat by far the best strat but didnt win? And you used the same but got defeated? Future was the one who tried it 3x and won it with 95% trashunits.... also tatoh went instant to the middle in the qualifier and held it til the end....

The game isnt only about strategy, especially this mod is so much about correct timing. Let me put it this way - pedro had biggest chance to win, because of his strategy, he just waited too long. I didn't use same strategy as pedro, I didn't have enough gold in my base to do it, I thought my best chance was to get it quite fast, when everybody will be still booming and trying to raid others around, because I thought that all in gold attack by celt is unstoppable (I still think so, just needs better micro and a bit less lag and maybe slightly better position with buildings around the monument) + possibly walling it, which would give player quite some time. Another problem was, that when I was preparing my own attack, I had to use my units to get future out of wonder, otherwise we would loose very fast. Lastly, according to statistics my attack was the biggest here, but it was very poorly timed, everybody went into middle and they killed me very fast. To be fair, I think it was by them best defense and team cooperation out of all games (maybe together with killing glokken's push in q8, it was very well done too).

maybe questions should be asked like:
- if it would be played again, would strategies evolve?
- if you had all players in teamspeak, would that change the game?
- if you had spies, or just the center revealed, would that change a lot. Cause, actually you were playing blind, with no allies view.

The 1st time red took the center, he could have won if he walled it. He was only 2 years away?
I think the most important thing is to keep spamming units to the center if the timer is counting. It would be better to have your military building close to it. I didnt see any player try this.

 

[DracKeN]

maybe questions should be asked like:
- if it would be played again, would strategies evolve?

Ofc they would. From my POV - I'd play my qualifier way differently than I did, I think I played it quite stupidly, but I got very lucky with the map, which saved me. Finals - I see now 6 civs, that I think would be better choice than Celts. And thats just the civ, the strategy should be way differnt, preparation for the push, getting more resources, using market, sending vills in to wall everything, mass buildings around the monument, because the flood of ANY unit is damn important, micro differently, timing.. There are just so much things to focus on and to improve for every player and like 5 days ago I thought its just all about sending some units in and try to survive.

- if you had all players in teamspeak, would that change the game?

I think if all would be on teamspeak, we would be in the middle of 3rd qualifier right now I guess , so hopefully this won't happen. If you saw my qualifier (q4) I had biggest army, buildings quite around, 200 pop and tons of gold, other than me, noone really had that big army. Still if others would communicate and attack my army correctly, I wouldn't hold under any circumstances.

- if you had spies, or just the center revealed, would that change a lot. Cause, actually you were playing blind, with no allies view.

That would change the game even more than being on teamspeak.

The 1st time red took the center, he could have won if he walled it. He was only 2 years away?

Yes, but again it was more about us (other players) not defending as properly as we should, because we lacked experience... Not that on 30 years left you're attacking other players siege in the middle.. he was 7 years away though, I started to be quite confident on like 15 years I knew we're gonna push him out even if he sends vills, there were just too much army from us in the end. Another thing, we (or even more I, because he was my neighbour with big base wih gold left) should have killed his eco after this attempt, it was obvious he has no army and big base in the middle, I think that was major mistake. And for example in his succesful attempt other would push him out if they worked as a team again. They didn't for too long (tom killing TatoH's siege for example), if they just cooperated he wouldn't hold once again.

I think the most important thing is to keep spamming units to the center if the timer is counting. It would be better to have your military building close to it. I didnt see any player try this.

+1, although I disagree that noone tried to do this, but I think none of us realized that it is that much important.

I feel like thing that would improve even more than strategy would be the decisions, where you really need to work as a team and not playing on your own and the communication. Like if 1 player would just send 1 scouting unit around on 50 years, telling all what the player holding the monument has, then others would say what units they have etc. Well hopefully this tournament wasn't the last one in this mod, for me playing/watching this was probably the most entertaining in my AoC life.