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Current Situation on Aoe4 and Aoe2

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  • Start date Nov 15, 2021
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CroatiaNextLever

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LowEloNobody said:
There have also been a few big patches since the game was released, addressing some of the gripes with the game. If the game had been released in its current state a year ago, it might have actually killed AoE2
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If the game really is in such a good state as you're saying, absolutely nothing is standing in the way of it killing aoe2. But it won't because it isn't.
 
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NextLever said:
If the game really is in such a good state as you're saying, absolutely nothing is standing in the way of it killing aoe2. But it won't because it isn't.
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Both games were always very likely going to be able to coexist. Things looked grim for AOE4 for a few months, but it has lately found its more loyal (if more niche compared to AOE2) fanbase.
 
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stanno said:
Both games were always very likely going to be able to coexist. Things looked grim for AOE4 for a few months, but it has lately found its more loyal (if more niche compared to AOE2) fanbase.
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aoe4 player numbers over last few weeks are like when countries continue to print money to boost economy, at first things look great but then go into a big downward spiral.

these artificial boosts (huge discounts, free weeks) are good if the base product is good, I would give it 3 months to get back to average of 6k (like 2 months back)
 
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ninja14 said:
aoe4 player numbers over last few weeks are like when countries continue to print money to boost economy, at first things look great but then go into a big downward spiral.

these artificial boosts (huge discounts, free weeks) are good if the base product is good, I would give it 3 months to get back to average of 6k (like 2 months back)
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in addition to that a big part of its current playerbase are rts refugees, not particulary aoe fans. They will leave again as soon as a new rts will be released.
 
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Halleju said:
in addition to that a big part of its current playerbase are rts refugees, not particulary aoe fans. They will leave again as soon as a new rts will be released.
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Refugees never leave. You either integrate or there will be chaos, confirmed in Turkey, right now.
 
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ninja14 said:
aoe4 player numbers over last few weeks are like when countries continue to print money to boost economy, at first things look great but then go into a big downward spiral.

these artificial boosts (huge discounts, free weeks) are good if the base product is good, I would give it 3 months to get back to average of 6k (like 2 months back)
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I'm guessing you were not blessed with the gift of reading comprehension when you came into this world.
"it has lately found its more loyal (if more niche compared to AOE2) fanbase."
Those are the 6-7k avg players you mention.
How could I be talking about the 20k or 30k that the sale brought? It would make no sense because those numbers would be well ABOVE the player numbers of AOE2, and therefore would contradict my whole statement.
So yes, that's about where the more loyal playerbase of AOE4 is, so far Around 5k at its worst, closer to 7k at its best.
 
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Does AoE4 still have the same camera zoom limitation it had on release?
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
Does AoE4 still have the same camera zoom limitation it had on release?
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Hasn't had for a long time
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
Does AoE4 still have the same camera zoom limitation it had on release?
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Nope, further out zoom in is built in now

Theres been a bunch of things changed since release eg: there are even mods for Aoe2 style missing arrows.
 
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DanMT said:
Hasn't had for a long time
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MongolTCRush said:
Nope, further out zoom in is built in now

Theres been a bunch of things changed since release eg: there are even mods for Aoe2 style missing arrows.
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How much did they improve it by?
 
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I'm sure I missed this on a thread somewhere, but what were the live viewer numbers for T90's TTL Grand Final? Maybe those numbers are hard to find since it's on different platforms/channels now?? I saw on YT that T90's video has 130k views but what was the live peak?
 
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plinkus said:
I'm sure I missed this on a thread somewhere, but what were the live viewer numbers for T90's TTL Grand Final? Maybe those numbers are hard to find since it's on different platforms/channels now?? I saw on YT that T90's video has 130k views but what was the live peak?
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I think it was quite low for a T90 tournament

13K on twitch. Maybe like 6-8K combined in other platforms. A safe estimate would be 19K probably.
 
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Peak 15674 for the grand final (across all platforms minus douyu which does not publish viewer numbers)

Overall peak was 19723 during the Viper Villese semifinal
 
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HappyLeaves said:
Peak 15674 for the grand final (across all platforms minus douyu which does not publish viewer numbers)

Overall peak was 19723 during the Viper Villese semifinal
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These numbers are not bad. A final Viper-Larry/Yo/Hera would probably bring 30k viewers easily
 
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Indiaakku

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TopperHarley said:
These numbers are not bad. A final Viper-Larry/Yo/Hera would probably bring 30k viewers easily
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Nah, BOA peaked at probably 30K, and that was the most hype finals with highest level performance and the closest series we could've asked for.

I think the finals between Viper/Hera would've hit 25K at best, overall.
 
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I guess we will have to wait and see what viewer numbers look like for RBW:L
 
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LowEloNobody said:
I guess we will have to wait and see what viewer numbers look like for RBW:L
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A 75k peak wouldn't really surprise me, tbh. The advantage of having multiple games shown is that there are always people from all games that stick around for other games that they mainly watch purely due to the production quality and continuous flow of the event. Also, with RBW5 they have shown their insane production capabilities, which will surely attract a very large number of people again. The pricepool that has been increased massively for aoe2 alone, let alone all games, will also add to the excitement for many people.
Then again, people are working from home less than last year so RBW5 may have been an artificially boosted number of viewers. Still, I must admit my expectations for RBW:L are very high!
 
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akku said:
Nah, BOA peaked at probably 30K, and that was the most hype finals with highest level performance and the closest series we could've asked for.

I think the finals between Viper/Hera would've hit 25K at best, overall.
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Team events rarely compare well with individual tournaments, if all other variables are identical.
 
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akku said:
Nah, BOA peaked at probably 30K, and that was the most hype finals with highest level performance and the closest series we could've asked for.

I think the finals between Viper/Hera would've hit 25K at best, overall.
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BOA is a team event and T90's fan base and Memb is not comparable.
 
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LithuaniaLokalo

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oozkan said:
BOA is a team event and T90's fan base and Memb is not comparable.
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Well not sure if that's really the truth. Didn't look much into it, but if nothing changed much, I would imagine T90 has way more views on youtube, although memb nowdays after T90 left to fb has way more constant live viewers. And last HC had crazy numbers, but not sure how much that was affected by quarantine too. I feel you are correct in fan base, however I think most of T90 base is casual players/viewers who do watch youtube, mostly not even high level play and many of them might not watch tournaments live. While most Memb's viewers will watch tournament, as Memb's content is based way more on high level. At one point he was playing a lot of BF, but for example lately he mostly casting high level and playing some 1v1. I might be wrong or right to some degree, but my point is, if people love watching low elo legends and similar stuff doesnt mean they will watch tournament, especially live. If most would follow as easily, he would have more viewers on FB I suppose. We didn't really see any proper tournament after his move nor when people were able to freely move out after covid. I really doubt he could gather now same numbers as he had for HC.
 
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oozkan said:
BOA is a team event and T90's fan base and Memb is not comparable.
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Yeah, but T90 is no longer in twitch. Right now I think memb has more reach
 
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aoe4 slowly going back to its usual place despite the free week and heavy steam discounts before and after the free week

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ninja14 said:
aoe4 slowly going back to its usual place despite the free week and heavy steam discounts before and after the free week
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Not really anything special to aoe4. Free weekends are temporary.
 
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It has been very quiet here :smile:

Seems like AOE4 has stabilized around 1.2K average viewers on Twitch.
 
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AoE 4 Golden League has 70K prize pool and Nili's Apartment Cup 4 has 100K prize pool in AoE 2.
 
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