Take away his caps lock privileges, that should be enough punishment.
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Hasan's Micro so good he only holds shift, no caps-lock
~Nainai
Take away his caps lock privileges, that should be enough punishment.
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This is a gaming community, not a church website or a women's rights group. We don't need to be politically correct, that's BORING instead of fun. If someone wants to call someone else a nigger then let them scrap it out and cheer it on like every other gaming community does, there is no need to jump in a ban players because you disagree on their moral values. The community is already way too small and don't all share the same moral ideas.
Got called a nigger on the internet? Oh well, deal with it... nigger.
Isn't online gaming notorious for having a lot of flaming? It's a great motivation for players to improve or conform. Sure it's not all warm and fuzzy and happy, but not much worthwhile is. Some day when your son comes home whining about getting bullied you just have to tell him "MAN UP, SON". If you start consoling him with your nice moral utopian ideas or whining along with him then you're asking him to grow up as a huge *****.You think any other player ... on any other community website is let away with constantly abusing people? No, its dealt with, ....
Isn't the average suburbs of a world city notorious for it's criminal activities? Sure it is, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be dealt with. And sure, one day when your son comes home whining about getting bullied you can tell him to man up. But in the meanwhile you might as well just make sure the bully gets his ass kicked too.Isn't online gaming notorious for having a lot of flaming?
^^ You don`t get it, do you?Isn't online gaming notorious for having a lot of flaming? It's a great motivation for players to improve or conform. Sure it's not all warm and fuzzy and happy, but not much worthwhile is. Some day when your son comes home whining about getting bullied you just have to tell him "MAN UP, SON". If you start consoling him with your nice moral utopian ideas or whining along with him then you're asking him to grow up as a huge *****.
IMPORTANT- I`m not much into this whole story, so I`m talking in general, debating if community should punish those that behave badly. We are a rather small community indeed, but that can`t be an excuse to let everyone do what ever they want - because of that behavior we can lose many good people, and it`s just not worth it. Rules are fair and simple, should be same for everyone, if you don`t respect others, don`t ask for respect nor understanding yourself.
^^ In my opinion, everyone can behave the way he likes, but taking full responsibility for his own actions. If he brakes any rules (laws), he should accept the punishment.
Maybe something like this: You don`t have to ask to be respected. You don`t have to care about it. You don`t have to act the same way as all the others, as long as you`re not violating any rules. You don`t have to understand others, but you still have to respect them
It is his personal choice as long as it doesn`t interfere with other people`s personal choices - you can chose whether you want to insult somebody (you make a decision for yourself), but you can`t choose whether somebody wants to insult you (somebody else made the decision for you, and this is where moderator usually comes into play, protecting the insulted party by warning/punishing the insulting party).
Wow Buga are you some kind of priest? :lol:
Flaming is actually a surprisingly good motivation for newbies to grow quickly into great players. In the last game I played all the top players were elitist and controlled the client and forums, and flaming/reputations is what held everything together since cheats were not actively stopped.Why would that guy go patch his version and come back to play?
Keeping a game/forum running does not require you to enforce your personal moral crusades.It is much different when you`re "in charge", it`s your responsibility to take action. As a normal user you may ignore users that "don`t behave" (smart option), or argue with them (life wasting), but as a moderator it is your duty to keep things in order.
That's what society has deemed officers responsible to do. It's part of their job, and it differs with different societies. It doesn't have to part of any internet moderators job to enforce the same things that police enforce. Do you give out speeding tickets too?When you take a walk and see a bully picking on somebody, you may move on or you may do something. When you`re an officer of law, you must do something (at least it`s your job to do so).
It`s not up to us to judge if insulting someone will make him stronger person. It`s Spartan logic, and as much as I personally like it, many died because of it, and it`s not what regular player expects when he comes for some online fun. We can`t know what they expect of gaming, either, but there are some "good behavior" rules that should be followed, respecting your opponent is one of them. By the way, by the same (Spartan) logic, no one should argue about mod decision - they have the power, thus they can use it :PFlaming is actually a surprisingly good motivation for newbies to grow quickly into great players. In the last game I played all the top players were elitist and controlled the client and forums, and flaming/reputations is what held everything together since cheats were not actively stopped.
Anyways, if someone is going to quit because they got called a bad name on the internet they won't last long, and hopefully they will grow some balls. If they quit oh well, there are limits, we shouldn't have to sacrifice our enjoyment to gain a couple pathetic new members in the community, numbers are not the most important thing.
Nor I ever said this It is certainly not a "moral crusade" to demand respect for others, otherwise it would be a complete anarchy. Nothing personal in widely accepted moral norms (or you thought of this very situation with Hasan and Karl?)Keeping a game/forum running does not require you to enforce your personal moral crusades.It is much different when you`re "in charge", it`s your responsibility to take action. As a normal user you may ignore users that "don`t behave" (smart option), or argue with them (life wasting), but as a moderator it is your duty to keep things in order.
It`s nice how you try to reverse the logic, but that`s not how it works And you said it yourself - society (community) makes the rules, and officers (moderators) enforce them. We can`t give speeding tickets cause we don`t have anything to do with car driving and safety, but we can punish disrespecting of other community members - and that`s what all decent communities do.That's what society has deemed officers responsible to do. It's part of their job, and it differs with different societies. It doesn't have to part of any internet moderators job to enforce the same things that police enforce. Do you give out speeding tickets too?When you take a walk and see a bully picking on somebody, you may move on or you may do something. When you`re an officer of law, you must do something (at least it`s your job to do so).
I dare you to find one example of a top player that got his motivation from being flamed right from the start. Seriously, do you find it fun if someone calls you the scum of the earth? Games are meant as recreational, fun ways to spend your time, and sure you can vent your anger through them but if that's all that's to it, then you may need psychological help.Flaming is actually a surprisingly good motivation for newbies to grow quickly into great players. In the last game I played all the top players were elitist and controlled the client and forums, and flaming/reputations is what held everything together since cheats were not actively stopped.
I think he is quite right. And yes flaming is part of gaming and internet "life", maybe not always literally flaming or racial flaming, but you always compete against someone, you always have kind of an online enemy when u start a game, nowadays i find it stupid but in the past when i was a child was fun. Like Bolt would say, Imagine soccer with no flaming (?)... AoC has lost a bit that online community feeling like it got when rooms like Ladder Room, Lepanto, etc existed.I dare you to find one example of a top player that got his motivation from being flamed right from the start. Seriously, do you find it fun if someone calls you the scum of the earth? Games are meant as recreational, fun ways to spend your time, and sure you can vent your anger through them but if that's all that's to it, then you may need psychological help.Flaming is actually a surprisingly good motivation for newbies to grow quickly into great players. In the last game I played all the top players were elitist and controlled the client and forums, and flaming/reputations is what held everything together since cheats were not actively stopped.
The last part of your post was just scary. I seriously hope you're a lone case in the community that prefers his personal joy of spreading around angst-y slurs above having a big community of people who just like to play a game together. I don't really have anything to add to you, your view on playing games is obviously a way to vent some kind of real-life anger, which is not healthy at all. :|