B-stream can't be at future events

[TheShaunPlays]

The Villese/Capoch games will be good no matter how it falls, Viper vs his Norwegian teammate or the father of his goddaughter. I also love watching new talent like Kingstone.

These match ups deserve a-stream coverage and it's a disservice to the scene to have them on a "b-stream"

Not to mention I just wanna watch all the games live.

I hope it's not considered for future events. Flagship events deserve flagship coverage IMO.

 

[Paint]

B stream is the only reason I knew the event was going on at all.

 

[_Donatello_]

B stream is the only reason I knew the event was going on at all.

yea same I were sure it was next weekend

enjoyed it alot so far :D

 

[harooooo]

Doesn't make sense that the players who play on B stream miss all the good stuff such as the special entrance, drafting ceremony with villager cosplayers, interviews, cams, holograms etc.... and their series just gets buried away compared to the A stream series.

It looks like it's not that big of a difference with them playing on b stream or playing online from home.

 

[XDDXOXO]

Would probably be good to rename the stream. B-stream implies it's not the first choice and is not fair towards the players playing there.

 

[baobab]

Complaining for the sake of complaining is a bigger disservice to the scene. Everyone gets the same amount of time on the A stream.

 

[archxeon]

If the choice is between single elimination and this, I still prefer this.

 

[Chainsaw]

Any reason Ornlu is not casting on the B-stream? He has been around for a long time and has immense game knowledge. Did he decline or something?

 

[AceW]

B-Stream is awesome.

Quick highlight here:

Daniel noooooooooo | Red Bull Wololo: Legacy

I casted with Ellie4k for the B stream of Red Bull Wololo: Legacy https://www.twitch.tv/ellie4kMain Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFJUeU8Oubp5Ne...

www.youtube.com

Lets go B Stream army

 

[Sextilidan]

Wouldn't the alternative just be to have some games played offline?

 

[oozkan]

B-Stream is awesome.

Quick highlight here:

Daniel noooooooooo | Red Bull Wololo: Legacy

I casted with Ellie4k for the B stream of Red Bull Wololo: Legacy https://www.twitch.tv/ellie4kMain Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFJUeU8Oubp5Ne...

www.youtube.com

Lets go B Stream army

That's not B stream, Daniel is awesome. Nothing to do with stream.

 

[oozkan]

I don't know, B stream sounds like second league. That's really really bad.

Btw does anyone, why it is Nili's channel?

Gotta give credit to Nili, he always find a way to make sure he benefits at max from tournaments.

 

[Tempires]

I don't know, B stream sounds like second league. That's really really bad.

Btw does anyone, why it is Nili's channel?

Gotta give credit to Nili, he always find a way to make sure he benefits at max from tournaments.

previous year's b stream Redbullen was streaming something else at same time with less than 100 viewers.

if you read Handbook B stream was originally Dave's stream but he did want other people stream there or something. Dave's channel restreaming main stream had quite a lot viewers too.

in AoE4 EGC stream is b stream.

 

[Lightysword]

Any reason Ornlu is not casting on the B-stream? He has been around for a long time and has immense game knowledge. Did he decline or something?

He did decline, cause Redbull was offering no form of payment/compensation whatsoever to the casters of the B-stream. At least thats what I recall from what Ornlu said on the matter.

 

[Whitecourt]

I have mixed feeling with having a B-Stream, since I watched each one from a different monitor and I'm not as hype as I will be once in playoffs, didn't bother me as much, but I can understand people not wanna be missing any games nor entrances from the players.

Being said that, great job by Ellie and Survivalist

 

[Cnel_kurtz]

Doesn't make sense that the players who play on B stream miss all the good stuff such as the special entrance, drafting ceremony with villager cosplayers, interviews, cams, holograms etc.... and their series just gets buried away compared to the A stream series.

It looks like it's not that big of a difference with them playing on b stream or playing online from home.

The main stream and the b-stream "switch" sides (in terms of starting groups), as they did today, so that everyone gets their on-screen main stage time.
All of the players who played two games today only played one on the main stream, and the other on the b-stream.
The only players who didn't got to be on the main one today (the ones who lost their set in the second group, Daniel, Valas, Sitaux and ACCM), will be casted on the main stage for the elimination rounds tomorrow, while the simultaneous eliminations (Kinstone-Jordan/Daut-Capoch) will be on the b-stream, as they (individualy for other sets) already went on the main one today.

Then, all deciders will be casted on the main stream, as everything else beyond that.

The b-stream is just about fitting more games in less time for organization/time-management reasons. It's not a "second tier" in terms of viewer impact or player level.

 

[oozkan]

previous year's b stream Redbullen was streaming something else at same time with less than 100 viewers.

if you read Handbook B stream was originally Dave's stream but he did want other people stream there or something. Dave's channel restreaming main stream had quite a lot viewers too.

in AoE4 EGC stream is b stream.

You can't compare current year and past years, since half of action is only available in B stream this year.

And the fact that Dave rejected doesn't change the fact Nili benefitted at max again, sounds like you are just trying to soften it.

I don't even care about AOE4 and don't know why do you bring it to discussion although I didn't mention it. That thing doesn't exist for me.

 

[TheShaunPlays]

If the choice is between single elimination and this, I still prefer this.

That's not the choice, More planning and playing Thursday/Monday is the choice. Thursday Monday would get more views than the B stream anyway. You would need to pay extra for certain things like venues and more days working for staff but you also pay less since you don't need as much staff or space

 

[TheShaunPlays]

Complaining for the sake of complaining is a bigger disservice to the scene. Everyone gets the same amount of time on the A stream.

It's not about equal time share. It's about about giving AOE2 the exposure and production value it deserves when the resources and opportunity is presented.

 

[TheShaunPlays]

Would probably be good to rename the stream. B-stream implies it's not the first choice and is not fair towards the players playing there.

I'm not going off the name, Haroooo did a really good job of mentioning things that are lesser, changing a name won't change that

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[TheShaunPlays]

B stream is the only reason I knew the event was going on at all.

What do you mean? If you mean because you saw it on Nili's channel, his channel would've have the main stream on instead just like the other casters

 

[Seahorsegallop]

Just not enjoying the format this time, the B Stream idea is awful. Unfortunately I am not keen on the two B Stream casters either, nothing against them, just would not be my choice.

The production quality is great, out of the park really, but do we need that? Last RBW was extremely high and they seem to have gone up again, not that I can see much benefit from all the extra expense.

Nili suggested in his backstage walkaround video that the reason for the 2 matches simultaneously was the production costs, which must be 6 figures at least looking at the amount of equipment and bodies around. I would prefer an extra couple of days to watch all matches live on the main stream.

Minor niggles, I didn't think much of the costumes this time, last time was a laugh, this time why bother if it's half hearted and the drafting table last time looked better with the 3D markers instead of flimsy flags, as I said minor. The main issue is I don't want the need for a B Stream.

One more small thing that I would like to see, but it might be just me, I would like to see the casting teams mixed up some of the time, e.g. Memb with Dave or T90.

I am on a roll, final nice to have would be to get into the games earlier, a bit late on a few today, I want to see it all :-)

 

[TheShaunPlays]

Just not enjoying the format this time, the B Stream idea is awful. Unfortunately I am not keen on the two B Stream casters either, nothing against them, just would not be my choice.

The production quality is great, out of the park really, but do we need that? Last RBW was extremely high and they seem to have gone up again, not that I can see much benefit from all the extra expense.

Nili suggested in his backstage walkaround video that the reason for the 2 matches simultaneously was the production costs, which must be 6 figures at least looking at the amount of equipment and bodies around. I would prefer an extra couple of days to watch all matches live on the main stream.

Minor niggles, I didn't think much of the costumes this time, last time was a laugh, this time why bother if it's half hearted and the drafting table last time looked better with the 3D markers instead of flimsy flags, as I said minor. The main issue is I don't want the need for a B Stream.

One more small thing that I would like to see, but it might be just me, I would like to see the casting teams mixed up some of the time, e.g. Memb with Dave or T90.

I am on a roll, final nice to have would be to get into the games earlier, a bit late on a few today, I want to see it all :-)

Agree on all points, I'd like to add missing the opening of games is another area that production needs to work on, pause the start, over the stream is ready then go. Stream team has done really well so far, no sync issues for our drops, the layout blocking score was fixed the next game after it was pointed out

 

[amazing_knight]

I believe the main reason for B stream is the jam-packed schedule. If you look at the number of games between yesterday and tomorrow, we will have 20 matches. Assuming a 2-hour window for each match (including games, drafting, interviews, breaks etc), this implies 40+ hrs i.e. 13-14 hours/day which is too much hence they decided to stream some games on B stream in parallel to save time.

I agree with Shaun that all players and all matches deserve the production quality of the main stream. I think the core of the issue is that this time Aoe4 and Aoe1 are also part of the event so the Aoe2 tournament needs to be wrapped within ~4 days.

As @archxeon said, it was either a B stream or lesser games (single elim format) considering the tight schedule. And I'd also rather have this than single elim.

But going forward, RBW should realise that Aoe 1, 2 and 4 are different games and 10 days is not enough to do justice to a competitive tournament for all 3 games.

 

[Tendo]

But going forward, RBW should realise that Aoe 1, 2 and 4 are different games and 10 days is not enough to do justice to a competitive tournament for all 3 games.

Agree with the 2nd part, disagree with the first part.
I think it's a good idea to make one big tournament for all 3 instead of 2 separat tournaments, should be way cheaper / result in better quality.

But the B-Stream solution is not rly that good and single elim. even worse, so they definitely should make the Tournament longer next time.