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The Persians win rate for 2.2k+ is apparently 34%. Are they too weak or not? (I personally have no idea and want to see what pros say)
Like given Bracer? or Arbalest?They are a little too weak. direct comparison with civs like indians makes this very clear. I'm fairly sure that some balance with regard to their archers will be done at some point.
Is this opposite day?I personally have no idea and want to see what pros say
I think it's less a matter of Persians being too weak than it is other civs being too strong that fill a similar role (Indians, Berbers).
For instance, if you just take out Indians and Berbers, Persians look like a much better and more competitive civilization, and a top tier pocket civ in team games.
Though you also have buffed Franks, Huns, buffed Mongols, Magyars, Malians, buffed Slavs and even Byzantines and Teutons to some extent. Overall most civ got a good buff in the transition rather just being the new civs powercreeping old ones, but Persians just got Non-Elite War Elephant gaining trample and easier to counter Camels (and... Boiling Oil, lol).I think it's less a matter of Persians being too weak than it is other civs being too strong that fill a similar role (Indians, Berbers).
For instance, if you just take out Indians and Berbers, Persians look like a much better and more competitive civilization, and a top tier pocket civ in team games.
They are a fine pocket with the correct mates, but sadly you can't chose your position (and in 2vs2 or 3vs3 it is more iffy) and they aren't a very good flank, and in random games you can't choose your mates neither so it can get a bit messy. Their team bonus is definitively very good, though.Exactly this. Berbers (and Indians, somewhat) do what Persians do better.
They are just underused, not weak. Their bonuses can prove to be strong for no TC starts, especially TGs. I still consider Persians as a good pocket civ on Arabia. Remember, they still are the only civ in AoE2 with a full stable!
The stronger you make war elephants, the more you nerf them 11Give war elephants +400 hp for fair.
Heresy NotLikeThisAdd heresy and bracer and all is fine
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Persians get siege ram, but miss out siege engineers which both berbers + indians get as far as I can remember. Still, their HCA,halb, Ram combo ain't bad (even missing bracer), and with better eco, they are able to get there faster!