And which tournament has aM won? Because apart from a 2v2 showmatch and a few 1v1's I don't remember them winning anything that actually matters?
Bro, so they actually won only two pools :-D, because ECL had a final LAN, in which they again were second :-DIn the last 2 years, there haven't been too many non-1v1 tournaments or show matches in the first place. The major tournaments that come to mind are (I have left out the show matches, because there are too many to count and there is no record of show matches organized anywhere):
1) ECL (the non-1v1 stages): aM won Middle East 3v3, South-East Asia 3v3, Americas 4v4 and Europe West 2v2. (4 out of 10 non-1v1 stages)
2) Doubles Age (2v2): aM placed 2nd
3) Two Pools tournament (2v2): aM won
4) ECL LAN (2v2/3v3): aM placed second overall
5) Rise to Glory (3v3): aM was split into two teams, one of them (together with F1Re) finished second and arguably tied for first place.
So yeah, unless none of these matter, you're completely wrong.
Bro, so they actually won only two pools :-D, because ECL had a final LAN, in which they again were second :-D
I think that nobody, who follows aoe2 pro scene would not give credit to AM. I think everybody acknowledges how good the team and their individuals is. Its just they yet have to prove to be able to win Secret in supercompetative settings, hence why i pointed out, that they havent proven that yet.I guess you missed my point behind this. I don't like to undermine the success, however "small" (note the usage of quotes here), of top experts when they produce a good result in tournaments, and I am also not a big fan of others doing it either. This is not about fanboyism or liking or disliking certain players, but about giving credit where credit is due.
Now, I don't expect you to understand this point at all, especially when you have the guts to tell a certain Brazilian top expert player to, in simplified words that even you can understand, "git gud".
did you even read roggans post? it said they won several times against secret and won tournaments... something you dont even mention in your post which read like they never won against secret.I think that nobody, who follows aoe2 pro scene would not give credit to AM. I think everybody acknowledges how good the team and their individuals is. Its just they yet have to prove to be able to win Secret in supercompetative settings, hence why i pointed out, that they havent proven that yet.
Yes, and thats exactly the point, they havent won in supercompetitive scene against Secret. With Two Pools being the exception.did you even read roggans post? it said they won several times against secret and won tournaments... something you dont even mention in your post which read like they never won against secret.
ecl stages werent supercompetitive? And i thougth nobody could hurt escape anymoreYes, and thats exactly the point, they havent won in supercompetitive scene against Secret. With Two Pools being the exception.
So according to christheco the only tournament (and outcome) that matters is ecl lan finals?
Each ECL stage was... "super competitive".
aM won 4/10 of them, how many did Secret win?- I don't know the answer, this is a question not a rhetorical question as presumably Suomi won one or two?