Why isn't anyone talking about broken recs?

[LockeAoC]

I don't understand why almost all of the recorded games from this specific patch are breaking during replay. As someone who goes back and reviews just about every game to get insights about my play, it's been disheartening to see this kind of left alone for the past few weeks. This is something that is just a given with AoE2 and needs to be fixed immediately.

I'm not someone who has a lot of issues or complaints with the game. I roll with balance changes, new DLCS, map pools, etc.

Give us working recorded games.

 

[Lokalo]

I don't understand why almost all of the recorded games from this specific patch are breaking during replay. As someone who goes back and reviews just about every game to get insights about my play, it's been disheartening to see this kind of left alone for the past few weeks. This is something that is just a given with AoE2 and needs to be fixed immediately.

I'm not someone who has a lot of issues or complaints with the game. I roll with balance changes, new DLCS, map pools, etc.

Give us working recorded games.

Well people do speak about it, in other topic was mentioned, that devs already working on it, but most of devs were in Red Bull's tournament for almost 2 weeks or something, so they basically got back to work just this week, so hopefully it will be fixed with next patch soon, although not sure if they will do patch during tournament (warlords) going, so might take another few weeks, maybe not, who knows....

 

[Progeusz]

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[T-West]

Have there been any public statements made by any of the development studios about this? I saw one generic "the issue is being tracked" comment on the bug report on their forums, but that's all I've found.

 

[Tempires]

Have there been any public statements made by any of the development studios about this? I saw one generic "the issue is being tracked" comment on the bug report on their forums, but that's all I've found.

what else they should state about issue?

 

[T-West]

what else they should state about issue?

They don't need to say much, just a few really basic pieces of information.

• First they should be proactive with informing people of the issue. It should be highlighted (in an addendum to patch notes, and in their social media posts) so that users are aware of it. That way people aren't blindsided if they are hosting an event and suddenly discover their recs go out of sync.
• Second they should specify whether the recs are salvageable. Are they going to continue being broken, or will we be able to watch currently broken recs after a hotfix?
• And third they should have a timeline for when they are pushing a fix. That way people who are doing coaching or running events based on the recs can plan their schedules accordingly.

And this should be done either from an official account (e.g. the Age of Empires Twitter) or someone visibly involved with the franchise (such as Cysion). Even if it's going to take time to fix (and perhaps especially if it's going to take time to fix), a few really simple bits of communication go a long way towards improving the situation.

 

[Tempires]

They don't need to say much, just a few really basic pieces of information.

• First they should be proactive with informing people of the issue. It should be highlighted (in an addendum to patch notes, and in their social media posts) so that users are aware of it. That way people aren't blindsided if they are hosting an event and suddenly discover their recs go out of sync.
• Second they should specify whether the recs are salvageable. Are they going to continue being broken, or will we be able to watch currently broken recs after a hotfix?
• And third they should have a timeline for when they are pushing a fix. That way people who are doing coaching or running events based on the recs can plan their schedules accordingly.

And this should be done either from an official account (e.g. the Age of Empires Twitter) or someone visibly involved with the franchise (such as Cysion). Even if it's going to take time to fix (and perhaps especially if it's going to take time to fix), a few really simple bits of communication go a long way towards improving the situation.

okey because rec issue is not game breaking and touches very small group. Devs very rarely address anything other than something is tracked/solution is worked on in first place. It is safe to expect old recs will be broken after a hotfix as always.

 

[PlusNomad]

okey because rec issue is not game breaking and touches very small group. Devs very rarely address anything other than something is tracked/solution is worked on in first place. It is safe to expect old recs will be broken after a hotfix as always.

Game breaking is not the same as costing sales. Game breaking has no relevance in a discussion about what it takes for them to prioritise a fix.

 

[IYIyTh]

The user will defend the "developers," regardless of what you say, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[PlusNomad]

The user will defend the "developers," regardless of what you say, take it with a grain of salt.

I feel like we're in some sort of infinite triangle where whenever TEmpires posts, you're there to say he's an FE shill and Im here to say he's not and then proceed to give the exact opposite opinion of him. It's like the Bermuda triangle for AoE2 hasbeens.

 

[SouFire]

Recordings for FE and world edges are nothing but digital garbage, ever since DE release the recordings tend to become obsolete and useless after any patch, this patch breaking the games that you just played few seconds ago is nothing but the improvement of their good work and goals to completely avoid the posterity of the best aoe2 games.

I am pretty sure they don't even know what they broke but their laziness fixing lately bugs is impressive, the resign then save chapter to crash the game is still working so you guys just figure it out how little they care.

 

[IYIyTh]

I feel like we're in some sort of infinite triangle where whenever TEmpires posts, you're there to say he's an FE shill and Im here to say he's not and then proceed to give the exact opposite opinion of him. It's like the Bermuda triangle for AoE2 hasbeens.

Except one of those opinions is based on recent posts and a well-established pattern and the other isn't.

But yes, that does seem to be accurate.

 

[Tempires]

Game breaking is not the same as costing sales. Game breaking has no relevance in a discussion about what it takes for them to prioritise a fix.

while i agree that game breaking is not the same as costing sales, i wonder if broken recs are costing sales when small part of existing players use them. Would you choose to not buy game because recs are temporary broken if main gameplay and etc. is working and praised? and if you would, wouldn't you care more about recs not working over patches? I think that is bigger issue in long term, especially if you care alot about recs.

Game breaking is defiantly factor when devs fix something. Game breaking bug is more likely to get hotfix than minor feature that does not affect most people. At least currently we are not having weekly patches to fix small or big issues as they are made but instead most fixes are part of bigger updates or not fixed at all now or in future. If devs don't communicate things Twest listed either about game breaking stuff or other very high priority things, I don't really see them do so for recs. Also, nothing was said about account spoofing (btw. did Redbull update fix that or is it still happen) and about AoE2.net that was closed by MS and Relic although there has been almost daily post about aoe2.net on aoezone/reddit/steamforums/and maybe official forums.

 

[oozkan]

The user will defend the "developers," regardless of what you say, take it with a grain of salt.

It is good to see that I am not the only person who recognized this.

 

[T-West]

i wonder if broken recs are costing sales when small part of existing players use them.

The effect is probably more indirect. Right now Microsoft is sponsoring the $30K prizepool for Warlords, and the broken recs are stopping Memb from being able to stream all of the games, likely leading to that investment generating fewer sales than it otherwise would.

I'd caution against the claim that only a small part of the player base uses recs. If one streamer casts a rec for thousands of viewers, then I'd argue not just the streamer, but all of the viewers, are "using" the rec. There may be a small core of power users who watch recs, but they are a key component of content creation that is spread to the wider community.

 

[Tempires]

The effect is probably more indirect. Right now Microsoft is sponsoring the $30K prizepool for Warlords, and the broken recs are stopping Memb from being able to stream all of the games, likely leading to that investment generating fewer sales than it otherwise would.

I'd caution against the claim that only a small part of the player base uses recs. If one streamer casts a rec for thousands of viewers, then I'd argue not just the streamer, but all of the viewers, are "using" the rec. There may be a small core of power users who watch recs, but they are a key component of content creation that is spread to the wider community.

Good point.

For Warlords, problem with recs was known before event started so you could say Memb and players could have made arrangements so more games are streamed. Looking at Liquipedia there has been only 2 set played and Memb was able stream both unless you mean qualifiers which would have needed more days to work (probably was do able but not preferrable).

If we go back to statements probably makes no difference for Warlords whenever or not they make one. Memb might know more like things you listed behind closed door though, probably not much more than we.

 

[T-West]

Good point.

For Warlords, problem with recs was known before event started so you could say Memb and players could have made arrangements so more games are streamed. Looking at Liquipedia there has been only 2 set played and Memb was able stream both unless you mean qualifiers which would have needed more days to work (probably was do able but not preferrable).

If we go back to statements probably makes no difference for Warlords whenever or not they make one. Memb might know more like things you listed behind closed door though, probably not much more than we.

Yeah, I've referring to the qualifiers.
And that's part of my point: there are lots of smaller tournaments and community events going on that don't have a clear "official" connection (and in my experience being involved with larger events, there still isn't a great line of communication there). The communication should be public so that the wider community involved in these events is kept informed.

 

[malamadre]

Recs dont work since DE came out, every update makes older recs unwatchable.
Its always been ****.
I got this amazing games I saved for future ego boost and those stupid ass recs dont even work.

 

[T-West]

Recs dont work since DE came out, every update makes older recs unwatchable.
Its always been ****.
I got this amazing games I saved for future ego boost and those stupid ass recs dont even work.

Oh, this thread is about an even worse issue: recs on the current patch often don't play back on the current patch.

 

[RAY]

naïve of malamadre to assume recs from the same patch work