Warlords | Discussion

[i_no_english]

some people still don't get it; those points you round up to get the seeding are manually attributed so you get whatever seeding you want; if you don't understand, answer this: how come seed 3(vinchester) had to play in the qualifiers?

Because he wasnt top 8 redbull - who automatically qualified for WL

 

[Lokalo]

some people still don't get it; those points you round up to get the seeding are manually attributed so you get whatever seeding you want; if you don't understand, answer this: how come seed 3(vinchester) had to play in the qualifiers?

Why you talking to me like I did the seeding? I'm just saying where you can see Memb explaining how they did it. Other details like some tournamentss having 25 points for 1st place, others 50 are debatable, like for example why not 35 vs 50 or 30 vs 50 and so on. I didnt do seeding, nor I have issues with it.

Why vinch had to play qualifiers? Because he wasn't in RBW, simple. Should he been invited as seed 3? Well thats very arguable and I can see your point although then there would be less spots for qualification and in the end he didn;t have issues qualifying, didn't lose a single game there. Is just every possible way doing things have cons and pros, looking at those 16 people who qualified seems everything is normal.

 

[nimanoe]

some people still don't get it; those points you round up to get the seeding are manually attributed so you get whatever seeding you want; if you don't understand, answer this: how come seed 3(vinchester) had to play in the qualifiers?

As already mentioned, they invited the top 8 of RBWL.

And while membs seeding is more subjective than other seeding methods, he's been using the same method for the last few tournaments, so it's not like he can just change them to suit who he prefers at this point.

 

[Springoftheking]

The choice of the seeding method for a tournament itself is always a subjective choice, but I think the used group stage method is quite good, so is enough if seeding reflect only modestly the real skill level of the players.

And the current top 8 is now so even that making exact seeding would be always debatable.

 

[Springoftheking]

The most positive thing to me in the tournament has been seeing some maps we usually don't see in high level tournaments, like Migration and Black forest.

 

[Semisky]

Has Microsoft fixed the rec issue? Because if not, it will be a shame that people can only speculate or watch from streamers. Not to mention that after an update, which should happen soon, the recs will be so much harder to watch.

 

[Huehuecoyotl22]

Has Microsoft fixed the rec issue? Because if not, it will be a shame that people can only speculate or watch from streamers. Not to mention that after an update, which should happen soon, the recs will be so much harder to watch.

Not yet, but they are working on it already. Most of the FE team were in Heidelberg as well, so they have only been back to work since a couple of days ago.

 

[Handy]

This is a very minor suggestion, but rather than starting with two houses, can the starting TC not just be changed to provide the extra pop space in this format? That would stop any possibility that the starting houses end up being in annoying positions.

 

[Huehuecoyotl22]

This is a very minor suggestion, but rather than starting with two houses, can the starting TC not just be changed to provide the extra pop space in this format? That would stop any possibility that the starting houses end up being in annoying positions.

In a random map script that would affect all town centers, not just the first one.

 

[Potkeny]

In a random map script that would affect all town centers, not just the first one.

Wouldn't it possible to change only dark-age TCs? I faintly remember something like that being possible, 'cos TCs..

 

[Michaerbse]

Wouldn't it possible to change only dark-age TCs? I faintly remember something like that being possible, 'cos TCs..

Not sure but if it works it would mean that you suddenly have to build more houses when advancing to feudal age...

 

[Potkeny]

Not sure but if it works it would mean that you suddenly have to build more houses when advancing to feudal age...

Someone else tried it and said it works "correctly" (only TCs built in dark-age get the extra pop-space, and they dont lose it on age-up), but I myself didn't test it, so can't say anything for sure.

Probably refining the house-positions is a better solution anyway.

 

[Michaerbse]

Someone else tried it and said it works "correctly" (only TCs built in dark-age get the extra pop-space, and they dont lose it on age-up), but I myself didn't test it, so can't say anything for sure.

Probably refining the house-positions is a better solution anyway.

I haven't tried it either tbh but I thought buildings would also change ages.

I guess a different option would be to use different objects and increase the pop space for them. E.g. there should be some kind of huts that can be used, right? If you change the pop space for that one to 10, you'd only need to place one, which decreases the chance of having a bad position. It should be a very minor thing though, not sure whether it's worth the effort.

 

[otw_Da]

Can someone explain me why Jordan with byzantines vs DauT didn't go for skirms against crossbows?

 

[TopperHarley]

This tournament has been absolutely amazing so far! Rarely have i enjoyed matches of a first round of a tournament as much as i have enjoyed Daut vs. Jordan, Hera vs. MbL (including the best BF 1v1 game in history).

The map categories concept is very good and the 9 villager start is great. Can't wait for the next matches!

 

[The Bloodless]

Best tourney since WallHalla!

 

[akku]

This tournament has been absolutely amazing so far! Rarely have i enjoyed matches of a first round of a tournament as much as i have enjoyed Daut vs. Jordan, Hera vs. MbL (including the best BF 1v1 game in history).

The map categories concept is very good and the 9 villager start is great. Can't wait for the next matches!

Hera vs mbl BF 1v1 was painful to watch for me lol.

Is their any civ except maybe Italians (due to condos) and Britons that can stop the Bohemian late game?

 

[Ovenka]

Mongols, Celts for sure

 

[akku]

Mongols, Celts for sure

Just in case you're replying to me (could've just replied lol). I don't think so.


How are mangudai getting close with that insane halb, if the opponent micro well?
I suppose fast siege onagers are an option tho. So maybe.


Celts don't have any shot IMO. I mean, what do they do against BBC + halb/HC?

 

[Ovenka]

Well, good micro, if you have good micro with mangudais, you snipe everything. And woads are underrated, they kill HC really fast.

 

[princecoconut]

Wasn't the issue with Turks that you can't open multiple fronts? They're a slow civ, so you need to cut a lot of spots and use mobility against them?

 

[akku]

Well, good micro, if you have good micro with mangudais, you snipe everything. And woads are underrated, they kill HC really fast.

I've seen pro players do Mongol vs Celts on BF, and in super late game Mongols lose a lot more than often to Celts. Because of halb-SO from Celts
I think this is kinda applicable in Mongols vs Bohemains too? Considering houfnice kinda act like onagers lol.

Woads aren't cost efficient when HCs are micro'd right? Especially Bohemian HCs which are faster and hence better when micro'd

Wasn't the issue with Turks that you can't open multiple fronts? They're a slow civ, so you need to cut a lot of spots and use mobility against them?

Yeah, in early imp.

They still have the best (or 2nd best) CA in the game, and top tier hussars. So they aren't too bad in open situations as well.

In the Boehmian vs Turk matchup in Warlords though, the issue is a lot more applicable with Bohemians who really have limited mobility.
That chokepoint actually saved Hera when MBL had advantage for most of the game.

 

[Springoftheking]

I like that in this tournament questions in the player interview videos are about the game.

 

[otw_Da]

I love this tournament! Is so great to see all this different maps and playstyles. Redbull was lovely but from gameplay perspective I rate this tournament even higher.
But there is one thing today that (we say in germany "stößt mir sauer auf") bothers me that is the rejection of the random category. I dislike this map shaming (I'm not a fan of arabia but I can see what makes this map so great and lovely) . Every map of AoE and their players that love it are welcome. I remember the peak times were warcraft 3 was at his highest level there were always the same maps and that was a hugh weakness of it.
For me randomness and diversity is one of the hugh positive factors of age of empires. If we keep thinking this further about randomness we could make all maps and civs the same to have the perfect balanced conditions for the players but there would be no fun.
So please show some love for the random fans/ community. I feel like the DM community, we sufferd in DE. Back in HD I could fill 4on4TG with mega random every day - in DE this is not possible anymore.
And big point - an random tournament is no option for me because the player that get mongels will always have to much advantage most of the time and in warlords settings this adventage would greatly reduced.
So sir memb please think about it again you have the power to make random maps great again.
Thanks for the great tournament. AoE without you would be not the same, you bring me so much joy at home <3

 

[Jarvin]

Is it just me or has this tournament been... weird so far?

On the one hand there have been a lot of crazy good games(TaToH vs Yo today on Oasis was amazing) but then on the flipside the number of games that have been characterized by a single player making a weird mistake that basically decides the outcome from the get-go (be that with very weird strategy choices - I'm looking at you MbL vs Nicov - or weird civ picks - berbers on arena?) with very little back-and-forth has been veery high, with seemingly little inbetween

I have been enjoying the tournament a lot so far - much more than I did RBWL - but it's bit weird that you can't really know what quality of games to expect going into each set