okay 1 question, if i get 2000 in 1v1 and i played 1 tg wich i lost, what would be my overall rate?
In my suggestion the "overall" rating is not calculated (blended) from other rates, it`s tracked in the same way all the other rates are.
Because you think it affects you more doesn`t give you more rights, as there are many more players out there, and many more to come which will never be heard. The point is that either discuss using arguments and facts and let us see what the best option is, or stay out, as you`re not doing anything (but wasting your and my time). It`s not about playing more, it`s about thinking more8th wonder said:having less is better than having more. and u know why i particapate in this discussion? CAUSE IT WILL AFFECT ME, AND GUESS WICH PERSON WONT BE AFFECTED BY IT, YES IT WILL BE U WHO DONT PLAY AT ALL IN VOOBLY RATED GAMES, SO MAYBE IM NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD STAY OUT
But it is tracking an exact discipline - RM overall rating To matchmaking, it ads a possibility to see player`s overall rating. Of course, you`ll prefer to see his 1v1 or Team rating according the game you want to play, but Overall rating does not interfere there.But it's not tracking an exact discipline, it's tracking an artificial combination of disciplines.
As a gimmick, a new status symbol - fine. But what is the value it adds to the matchmaking process?
I don`t think the example is good enough. Driving a bike and driving a car is pretty much different. Maybe a better example would be with car and a truck - not the same, but similar. We are talking about RM rates here, not mixture of RM and others (DM or CS).To give an example:
You have to do a long ride in your car and don't want to drive 2000km alone. So you're seaching for a partner, someone that can drive a car properly so you don't have to fear for your survival.
"Are you a good driver in general, swissboyy?" - "I'm ok at moving around vehicles (knowing that I'm good a riding bikes but can't drive a car)."
In which way will that help you to assess me and answer yourself if you would like to have me as your partner?
I never said that experience doesn`t count, but you want to point out that your opinion has more value than mine just because you have more time to actually play the game - and the problem is that we are not discussing the game playing/strategy here If that was the case, then you would know more about it for sure, and I wouldn`t discuss something that I`m not that familiar with (tactics, build orders, etc).i just said what would be best option based on my experience playing game, if u think experince doesnt count as argument or fact then u should stay out.
Sure, you are going to check all his previous games and inspect (count) if he played mostly Arabia or mostly Arena (the ONLY thing was for an example, but it seems not a good one for you) The point is that people first see that he has 2k rating, and they don`t think much if he get that by playing Black Forest or Arabia. And people do play different maps, even though they might prefer a specific one(s).and if 1 player plays only arean and gets 2k and other play 1v1 arabia and is 2k, they both are 2k, when i will feel like i want to play arena, i will join his hosted room, or he will join mine and i will know that i play 2k arena player and same to arabia player, if i decide to play arabia with him i kow what im dealing with, and if one enjoy playing ONLY arena and other ONLY arabia, they will never play 1v1 vs each other so i dont know where is problem in that
But it is tracking an exact discipline - RM overall rating To matchmaking, it ads a possibility to see player`s overall rating. Of course, you`ll prefer to see his 1v1 or Team rating according the game you want to play, but Overall rating does not interfere there.But it's not tracking an exact discipline, it's tracking an artificial combination of disciplines.
As a gimmick, a new status symbol - fine. But what is the value it adds to the matchmaking process?
I don`t think the example is good enough. Driving a bike and driving a car is pretty much different. Maybe a better example would be with car and a truck - not the same, but similar. We are talking about RM rates here, not mixture of RM and others (DM or CS).To give an example:
You have to do a long ride in your car and don't want to drive 2000km alone. So you're seaching for a partner, someone that can drive a car properly so you don't have to fear for your survival.
"Are you a good driver in general, swissboyy?" - "I'm ok at moving around vehicles (knowing that I'm good a riding bikes but can't drive a car)."
In which way will that help you to assess me and answer yourself if you would like to have me as your partner?
That`s my point with RM Overall. Playing RM 1v1 and RM Team game is different - but not as RM and DM are (or CS, even more different). You still get to see player`s specific 1v1/Team rating, but you can also see an accurate (not calculated) overall RM rating.
Following that logic, I guess that in the previous (one and only) RM ladder 2k+ players that got their rating just by playing team games would never join a 1v1 game... Why did we need separate ladders then?8th wonder said:if i enter 1v1 2k+ ara room, i always will play vs arabia player 11, there is no case where is 2k arabia only player randomly joins 1v1 michi 2k+ room...
While I do believe that this is true, do you really think this is an argument, that you know all the current players by heart? Why do you need any ratings at all then? Time is passing by, people change, new players come (and hopefully much more will come), and the rating system should help them to easily make a difference between players. It`s great if you learn your "opponents" skills by heart, but it doesn`t have anything to do with the rating system nor the way it should work.8th wonder said:... and about u say do u check his profile to see what he plays, well there i might be lil bit too much thinking about my own sitaution, cause in 21++ level prety much all players know each other adn what they play (for example when i turn on looby and see who is online from my rate range, i know each player if they got they play 1v1 or tgs or both, and what maps they play and even more only by seing rooms title i almsot always can tell who host is)
And all I`m saying is that it will give us an (accurate) information which we don`t have from 2 ladders that we already have - player`s overall RM rating, while it doesn`t mess any of the current ladders8th wonder said:all im saying is overall rate should be removed, cause all it will do add another number wich is completley uneseccery, and wont give us any information wich we cant see from 2 ladders wich we have already
What...? I rate myself competent in discussing the facts, nothing more, nothing less. Why does the accurate overall rating bugs you, because someone might get a higher overall rating than you through team playing? Why would you care about it, if the only thing you care is 1v1?and btw when u say, sicne we dont talk about strategy, but rate ur as competent as me (u actualy sayign u know more than me) its as wrong as u can be. it would be same as u would live in rich, safe community of city never seen violance and make law rules and tell me u know situation same or even better than police man who works on streets in criminal areas of city (its analogy)
So, you want to say that if I host a 1v1 Coastal game, and someone enters it with 2k 1v1 rating, it means he got that rating through playing Coastal? Sure. The point is that you can`t know if someone plays some map on a regular basis, or just wants to play something different.adn even reading ur comments about joining 2k room adn checkign games and all that, just shows how u dont understand current situation and ur just writing about things u have clue.
and tahts why ppl host games with titles of wich maps will be played in the room, and u know what? ppl joins taht rooms where is played maps wich they play regulary and if they play them regulary then they rate shows their skills for most of the part(when they arent stakers/pt), so i dont know what ur arena arabia talk is about
The keyword in my sentence is the word "exact".
AoC RM is as exact as saying "moving around a vehicle using both your hands and feet".
It isn't not doing any harm, you are completely right, but I wanted to discuss the value it's adding.
I don`t think the example is good enough. Driving a bike and driving a car is pretty much different. Maybe a better example would be with car and a truck - not the same, but similar. We are talking about RM rates here, not mixture of RM and others (DM or CS).To give an example:
You have to do a long ride in your car and don't want to drive 2000km alone. So you're seaching for a partner, someone that can drive a car properly so you don't have to fear for your survival.
"Are you a good driver in general, swissboyy?" - "I'm ok at moving around vehicles (knowing that I'm good a riding bikes but can't drive a car)."
In which way will that help you to assess me and answer yourself if you would like to have me as your partner?
That`s my point with RM Overall. Playing RM 1v1 and RM Team game is different - but not as RM and DM are (or CS, even more different). You still get to see player`s specific 1v1/Team rating, but you can also see an accurate (not calculated) overall RM rating.
I'm fine with your truck example too, because I think even truckdriving is very different to moving around your car. Just as teamgaming is very different to facing an enemy head on.
If you keep telling a guy who wants to know if you can drive this truck (thrice as long as your car) from A to B, that your cumulated driving skill is a little bit above average, you won't be any help for him. He still don't know if you can park this long vehicle, shift through the very different gearbox or know how fast you are allowed to go on a motorway.
He knows that you might understand a red light, know what a handbrake is, ... but nothing about your specific skills. So he won't know if he wants you in his truck.
Just as you won't know if you would want to play a game with the guy that has opened a room in the Medieval Siege if you take a look at his overall rating.
I agree with this - it would be nice to have such a precise statistics (I don`t know how many people would bother to check it often, though). I`m all for tracking the player`s statistics as detailed as possible, too.I understand the point you're trying to make and I very much agree that it would be nice to have some statistics, some notes about players in general. But in my opinion it would be much better to give this information a place on their profil and don't reduce it to a number that won't really tell you anything specific.
Count overall wins, overall losses, your average feudal time in both categories, ... but don't mash it all together and reduce it down to just a number.
But I`m talking about the practical side here - overall RM rating is just a way to quickly check someone`s overall RM rating. Nothing more, nothing less.
Eh, lol, should I keep trying?1111111111111111111111111111111111 its like talkign with monkey. 1st of all its prety clear that if i would be player X, isntead of 8th wonder u would talk other way ---- because someone might get a higher overall rating than you through team playing? ----------- WHERE THE **** I SAID THAT, WHERE THE **** I SAID I CARE IF SOME1 GETS HIGHER RATE THAN ME? if i would keep what i just wrote about u, i would get banned for life, but i prety much summed all i think about u
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS 1V1? WHERE THE **** DO U GET THAT? WHERE I WROTE THAT? MR " I TALK ARGUMENTS AND FACTS" QUTE ME SAYING THAT ALL I CARE ABOUT IS 1V1 RATE AND THAT I CARE THAT PLAYER X WILL GET HIGHER RATE THAN ME
And even if you`re right (and you`re not) - how does overall rating makes any of that different (worse)?
AND HOW WOULD IT MAKE IT BETTER?
Because without an overall rating there is no simple nor correct way to easily do an overall RM player comparison, just because of that.But why would one check it, be fine with a not-so-accurate assessment if there's something better?But I`m talking about the practical side here - overall RM rating is just a way to quickly check someone`s overall RM rating. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's the thing I still don't understand and saying that other stuff isn't completely accurate either just isn't cutting it for me.
But for both car and the truck you still have just one driving license (at least it`s how it is over here) Later, inside the license it says if you in fact have passed the car and truck driving tests or not. That is what I`m suggesting for the overall rating, it`s a pure generalization in order to have something to precisely compare players` overall RM skills.I see what you're trying to do by saying that playing 1v1 Arabia isn't the same as 1v1 Arena. Yeah, sure, it isn't. Driving a small 15hp horsepower car isn't the same as a 600hp Ferrari Enzo either. But you still need just a single driving license for both, because they are close enough. When you want to hop onto a bike, you'll have to get another license though.
Sure, playing 1v1 Arabia or Arena or Black Forest is the same. Well, it`s not, and I think you know that.the thing i dotn undrestand where is differnce what map u play, differnce is if u play 1v1 or tg, map doesnt matter
Sure, and this generalization makes you the right one. It`s not about who/what you are, it`s about what you do and how you do it. Being overemotional doesn`t help you being right, not seeing what other people talk about.p.s. wont comment here anymore, since arguing with admin is same as arguing with teacher, whatever u say they r right always
I think that you`re the one that has a problem with who/what I am, though I never mentioned it, nor I think that`s important. For me, you are just another person in this discussion, the same as I am. Oh, and please don`t mention the names you just did, as I know (and they do, too) how many times I argued with them over numerous things 11 I don`t make a difference between people because of their names/titles, but I do because of their deeds. In a mature discussion, all that is pretty irrelevant.p.s.s. if my nick would be jordan/viper/chris and i would say overall rate is useless and dont add it, u would agree prety fast, since its me now its different case, and dont tell u wouldnt talk differnet if my nick would be one of these