Maybe should have read rules before last 3 hidden cup ? It's now only issue as viper lost
Victim blaming, FeelsGoodMan .
Maybe should have read rules before last 3 hidden cup ? It's now only issue as viper lost
It is stup... to think that it is bc Viper lost, It was totally unfair, it doesnt matter if the rules were written in that way.Maybe should have read rules before last 3 hidden cup ? It's now only issue as viper lost
Think no one (not many ppl) questioned your win at all, well deserve.I have to admit I also didn't realize that was a possibility despite reading the rules multiple times, i thought (i believe same as viper) that the 3 home maps were just meant to be like u have 1 extra civ and 1 extra map to mindgame/adapt with. I was just as surprised as viper during the set to hear its now my last home map to play, i was already planning for slopes at the time 11
Really unfortunate for viper that it went down that way, i remember not even feeling relieved during the tourney and just went on focused to try to win the game since i was still down 2 games and wasnt confident on mudflow (since that was GL bois homemap frequently). In hindsight though it did give me a slight edge. I think its competitive matchup on all maps left with the civs each player had, this is probably the worse case scenario for both because on one hand he was robbed of a homemap and on the hand my win is now put to question.
Anyway its not a hera fanboy vs viper fanboy, and its not a players shud read the rules thing, its just an unfortunate oversight that can be easily fixed going forward. A shame because that was the best set of the tourney imo, and one of the best sets ever for me, regardless if i won or lost by a game.
I was gonna give my thoughts (and still will) on the whole situation after I go over our set on stream, just thought id pitch in here too.
Oh and last thing i dislike the set maps, Cup favored me in the finals since that was my homemap, and then both mudflow and bypass seemed to have been GL prep so in theory those favored viper in that set. I would just prefer it to be g1 arabia then 3 home maps each, no controversy, completely fair may the best man win. I could see the counter arguments with wanting to see all maps for viewers and **** but like doesnt this tourney have enough things for viewers? 11
If theres another argument for set maps let me know, but yeah those are my quick thoughts will elaborate and reiterate tmr anyways
You cant know that however at the start of the game. And already drafting only 8 civs for 9 maps is hard enough... Like the whole system leads to an advantage for the losing player in the first half of the set and makes a legendary reverse sweeps much more likely...Well, given that Viper was completely surprised by this after Game 5, I think he would rather have drafted different if it was generally known that he might play on 3 of Hera's HM while only playing on 1 of his.
This 100%, If there was KOTD but just land maps, or even just three set maps played without map picks, I loved KOTD but after watching every game I felt really drained just watching Arabia and I struggled to come away with any highlights because it all just blended together, especially because the rounds were sooo long.I think KOTD WOULD become the #1 event if it wasn't just Arabia.
How about NAC though? If this is not playing at Nili home as there are visa and lot of problems may arise.This 100%, If there was KOTD but just land maps, or even just three set maps played without map picks, I loved KOTD but after watching every game I felt really drained just watching Arabia and I struggled to come away with any highlights because it all just blended together, especially because the rounds were sooo long.
But that's the identity of the tournament.How about NAC though? If this is not playing at Nili home as there are visa and lot of problems may arise.
... or Masters of Socotra on NotSocotraIt's like deciding to play Hidden Cup without hidden identities, or that from now on King of the Desert will be played on Islands.
But that's the identity of the tournament.
It's like deciding to play Hidden Cup without hidden identities, or that from now on King of the Desert will be played on Islands.
I think you could have "desert" maps without it just being Arabia
Pathetic statement.Exactly right... well thought out comment that is right on the money (no pun intended). T90 did try to drive the prizepool up by getting people to sub, however it wasn't hard to see this as a blatant money grab. If people wanted to contribute to the prizepool then donate 100% of it to the prizepool, so the players get all the money (instead of T90 pocketing most of it). Having followed T90 for over 4 years now, I was honestly very disappointed by the way he conducted himself around the subs and prizepool, and it is for this reason that I no longer sub to him and haven't for a year now. Yes Hidden Cup is a fantastic event and very entertaining, and undoubtedly the biggest event on the aoe2 calendar, however KOTD is still the premier event and Hidden Cup is unfortunately become a bit of a shameless cash grab (in my personal opinion).
At the end of the day, I am happy for it to continue as it is a fantastic chance for the players to get well compensated for all their hard work (dogao $3k+ and he didn't win a game or have to qualify). Just don't make it sound like people are subbing to support the prize pool when in reality, they are subbing to fill your own pockets - because so many people have very little idea of how twitch works.
oh boi Memb is gonna be ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS just by imagining his KoTD tournament being solely played on ISLANDSor that from now on King of the Desert will be played on Islands.
Victim blaming, FeelsGoodMan .
No player or viewer has previously complained about rules during HC2, HC3 or before HC4 end. It's still better to be winning all maps you can at cost of losing HM. Some players might consider G1, G4 or G7 be HMs for them as they are good at them. Also opponent's HM isn't necessary bad map for yourself.It is stup... to think that it is bc Viper lost, It was totally unfair, it doesnt matter if the rules were written in that way.
The last two things you mention have nothing to do with the objective unfairness to advance with 3:1 homemaps. With that logic you can play finals one player picking all maps because well the opponent could be even better at those.No player or viewer has previously complained about rules during HC2, HC3 or before HC4 end. It's still better to be winning all maps you can at cost of losing HM. Some players might consider G1, G4 or G7 be HMs for them as they are good at them. Also opponent's HM isn't necessary bad map for yourself.
I am not going to apologise for championing players getting a higher cut of the income, as T90 is making so much more than they are and they are providing the outstanding gameplay and entertainment. Wouldn't have a prizepool without T90? He wouldn't have an amazing tournament without the players and their abilities, and they are getting a fraction of what he gets.Pathetic statement.
T90 is and always has been completely upfront about the prizepool contributions, and has been quite generous to competitive players with his personal sponsorship of tournaments and showmatches. There would not be any Hidden Cup prizepool at all without him, perhaps not even a thriving scene.
You are disparaging the man who donated his tournament winnings to charity simply because the prizepool was grossly disproportionate for being a slapdash invitational.
Try building something yourself first before you tear others down out of rank envy.
You had me believe for a minute that the "de" in "de_dust2" stands for "desert", and so the "cs" in "cs_italy" probably stands for "cobblestone"!Dust 2 for example.
This is the strangest argument to me. The man casts/streams FOR A LIVING. Why shouldn't he make money from the Super Bowl of his channel/sport?I am not going to apologise for championing players getting a higher cut of the income, as T90 is making so much more than they are and they are providing the outstanding gameplay and entertainment. Wouldn't have a prizepool without T90? He wouldn't have an amazing tournament without the players and their abilities, and they are getting a fraction of what he gets.
Having followed T90 from the start and being a big supporter of his, the change in this tournament was startling and disappointing. He has never asked and asked for subs like this. All I am saying is, I don't believe it is a great look to make it appear that subs are pretty much only for the prizepool, when he is making 71% from each sub and the 16 players are sharing the remaining 29% - especially when Microsoft has paid all the set up and admin cost.
It is only my opinion, and as the comments on this thread and other threads suggests, other people completely agree. No issue him getting subs and making money from his hard work, just not a fan of him gaining heaps and heaps of extra subs solely on the premise that they go to the prizepool, when only a fraction goes to the prizepool and there isn't an option to donate directly to the prizepool so that the players get more of the donation.
That's weird, I never got that impression. That might be because T90 constantly repeated during the main event and qualifiers that one dollar would be added to the prize pool for each subscription.All I am saying is, I don't believe it is a great look to make it appear that subs are pretty much only for the prizepool,
Do you know that for a fact? Do you know if the money Microsoft gave him for administrative expenses or the organizers initially considered for that completely covered all his administrative expenses, marketing expenses, invited casters expenses, his extra work hours, incidental expenses, etc.? Is it not possible that Microsoft's money was not enough and that part of the money earned in subscriptions is directed to pay these expenses?especially when Microsoft has paid all the set up and admin cost.
You have a point here. In the situation where someone wants to directly donate $ 1000 to the prize pool, one would have to pay $ 5000 (assuming $ 5 per subscription). This does not seem appropriate to me. I agree that the tournament organizer should be recognized and rewarded, but these proportions do not seem positive (imo) for the final prize pool and therefore the players. However, I understand that this is done precisely to also benefit the streamer and his channel, who otherwise might not get remunerated enough if they allow donations to go directly to the prize pool.there isn't an option to donate directly to the prizepool so that the players get more of the donation.
At least one person did exactly that this year.there isn't an option to donate directly to the prizepool so that the players get more of the donation.
Kind of astonishing how such an obvious point has evaded Comet's mind.Anyone who doesn't want their funds diluted by the clearly advertised 1/4 split is perfectly capable of navigating to the twitch streams of the players and donating to them directly.