Sara HCA >>> all. Those things tear through buildings better than anything (except maybe elite Tarkans). You only need 20 of them and you can take down his barracks before he can put them up again.
You save 2k gold by going hc and thats enough for 40 HC.
So 40 HC are free gold, while u r paying 20 gold per champ.
Not including the 15 food u save per unit on the hand canonneers, which can also be turned into gold.
Plus Hand cannoneers only suck vs husks if the husk can get in range and attack them, this doesn't happen much with mames in front and hit and run tactics.
can't be bothered doing the math to work out where is cancels out, but I reckon once u've made about 60 HC u'd have started saving on gold if u had been going champs instead.
Ur maths are nice and all, but in your case you use mames instead of champs as meat shield, so in the end it will be more expensive, especially with a husk/pike combo, they will eat mames meatshield fast.
The problem with a combo of emams and hc is that it cant handle elite husks. Emams + hussar loses to halb + ehusk. So Id say its best to go Emams + champ.
Just LOL at mendl, guy is clueless about aoc 111 Mamelukes + hussar micro own ehusk halb any day in TG's.
You guys forget this story is about TG. In TG there is a whole new way of thinking involved as there are multiple units/combo's possible. Saying champs as meat shield in front of mamelukes is just stupid. Hussars are way better if you have any clue about true micro. You cant micro champs like you can do with scout speed. Run back and forth with scouts evading hits and let mamelukes do the killing. Also there is another aspect which is one of the most important parts when playing TG's as a dominating player. The speed units move around the map. You will need to assist ally and even sometimes play 4 people at once if your team has some very shitplayers. I remember one game i hold vs vick(viking) and chris(maya) with sara forever with just mamelukes/scout. It was a shame ruso was owning my three other allies 3v1 with korea 111.
When ur settled with good trade and mapcontrol u can slowly forget about hussar and go seige onager/mamelukes combo
Just LOL at Imperial god, this guy thinks he knows it all. If we paly a 1v1 BF or arena Goth v Saracen, Ill show you who is Clueless about AoC units. You will get owned if you go EMams + hussars vs Goth halbs.
What do you think now, respond to my challenge? OR?
Just LOL at ur BF goth vs saracen argument. Maybe i need to write this sentence once again. Read it very carefully.
Again, read it maybe 20 times so maybe your peanutbrain can understand:
This topic is about saracen in TEAM game. You have goth and a spanish BOOMER beside him. Ok, got it, or do you need to read it again?
Its just funny how you guys are infatuated by goths 1v1, it almost seem like you have an illnes or something 11.
I suggested 1v1 bf/arena since its practically hard to test this in a TG situation. Yes, in the situation you mentioned about spanish boomer + goth, emams + hussar does worse than emams + champ. You cant stop goth halbs with emams and hussars.
and emames own spain hand cannons with a pala front right? Or even spain skirms.
Go back to my original post, its camels and archers, followed by mames hussar and hand cannons, followed by Seige onanger, thats if u get that far in 2v1.
maybe you are a goth fan but sarracens are much better on imperial mameluke can own mangudai pala halbs etc etc huskrl has no effect against mameluke dunno why mix them instead of a solid rush of halbs and hc or skirs cuz goth has nice range units, all you are writing it is because you have never played using mamelukes, no matter what u think until you dont proove urself... 50 mamelukes can kill likes 100 halbs in a row and if you mix mamelukes with hussars to use as shield no matter how much halbs you send you will lost all also 3or4 monks can heal those mamelukes who get damage from halbs in the front of the battle it is about the player who is using the civ mameluke is really expensive a smart player knows it so dont try to imagine 40 mames surrounded by halbs without run i think you just have the image when mamelukes get stuck in somewhere and they are all dying due the bad user
I dont care about your try to undermine my arguments saying im a goths fan.
I have beaten a 19++ player goths vs saracen which went imp with comparable and big eco with halbs, husk and trebs pretty quickly. He was massing EliteMamelukes.
Hussars and mamelukes, both die to halbs flood with few elite husks to absorb any castle fire if needed. The situation isnt much different in a TG, assuming its earlier in imp and goth doesnot wait for saracen to mass 80 mamelukes, doing nothing when he got 80 halbs 5 minutes ago. This is my opinion.
@SouFire: If you come to a 1v1 BF/arena, ill show you that you are wrong about 50 emamelukes with hussar shield killing "any number of goth halbs". Lets get a game arranged, well see who is right. I can adjust in between 9gmt and 17gmt most days (im on a vacation) and can come at 2 gmt if that suits you.
From experience im telling you, you cant stop goth halbs with massed EMams.
can i laugh you?? you guys were talking of units mameluke is much better.. huskarl is trash vs mameluke only halbs can damaged but you guys are ignoring the map and the player , yes sarra is in disadvantage vs goths in arena i am not wasting my time unless monk rush1111 lets play michi or BF as u wish then i can show you the full power of Mames oh yeah wait i remember it sorry goths cant break the forest u_u and it is the same in bf just stone wall and hold with mangoles and house behind the wall while i am getting full mameluke.. if you were an smart player would know that... i am not playing you, you have more games than all my 20 nicks in your lost games that scares me a lot and probably if u see my rating u wont play me open ur map editor and try 50 mames vs 80 halbs+huskrl and u pick sarra and use micro u will see the result by urself.
If you guys want to argue about different settings likes LN,Arab arena or anymap under special circumstances ,lagg, time, no walls, goth with super resources and sarra waiting nake in his city until goth arrives yes i would bet to goths haha
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