I'm not sure how you conclude that it must be the players being lazy and not reading the rules from picking 1 wrong civ, it could just be a misclick in the lobby or misremembering which civs they already used.To conclude I think, we shouldn't punish the guy to hard in the game result, so something an autoloss for the whole series should be out of question. Also the impact at the series should be as limited as possible. But I think there should be rules like losing 50% of the prize money if he wins and sharing this money at all others who won a certain amount of money. I think that hurts them more, because it is laziness and laziness gets punished by making the profit of being lazy towards 0. In addition you dont hurt the viewers with it at all. You get good players playing their games and not getting DQed for their laziness, it just hurts themselves.
I'm not sure how you conclude that it must be the players being lazy and not reading the rules from picking 1 wrong civ, it could just be a misclick in the lobby or misremembering which civs they already used.
Also I don't think losing 50% of the potential prizepool will motivate them really and not sure how you want to do it for a tournament like NAC2 where the prize is that you'll get to play in the main tournament and get paid for the trip and the stay at Nili's Apartment.
I disagree. Simply just because Aoe is far from being a professional Esport and people are scheduling around their other things in life. So maybe they are in a hurry, something is distracting them or whatever.And to finish it up, a "misslick" is being to lazy to check what you chose before rdy up
Or give player B another Re?Player A, who picked wrong civ should be forced to use his restart and both players have to pick their civs open from the remaining civ pool and - as player A knows now what civ player B wanted to go for - Player A has to choose first, so player B might just do a counter pick. If player A does not have any REs left, AW for Player B.
The best solution for these misclicks would be: player B chose a civ (not hidden) and then player A chose his civ out of his civ pool. This means player A get a small advantage of choosing the bette civ but player B doesn’t have a disadvantage in other games.
I disagree. Simply just because Aoe is far from being a professional Esport and people are scheduling around their other things in life. So maybe they are in a hurry, something is distracting them or whatever.
Missclicks can happen in every game and I don’t think that people chose the wrong civ intentionally. That would be super dumb because they would be caught 100%.
But most of "drama" in Aoe has to do with players just not reading rules or not giving any importance to them. If you punish them harsh it will have a quick end. And with this punishment it can't happen that you suddenly have only tier2 player in a tournament. Sure maybe some players wont sign up anymore, but to be honest if thats their reason for not signing up that they could win less money because they are not able to understand and read rules, better they dont and we have them out of competitve AoE.
Yes, but what is against a moderate punishment for a rather small mistake? Your idea would be: You did something wrong, so you are out of the tournament, which is just ridiculous since even "tier1 player" can make mistakes.
Just think a moment about the relation of mistake and punishment. Your argumentation is borderline "You did one sin, now receive eternal punishment" (well I guess, that comes with the name).. And this will keep people from doing mistakes? I heavily doubt that.
I think you didnt read what I offered. I actually say that they shouldnt get DQed, they just dont get 100% of the money if they get to place whcih gets money. I want that the player gets punished as hard as possible and the viewers at least as possible. With all these AW etc you get less games or good players drop out because of a single mistake like you mentioned. But I think if would get 2000 euros and suddenly only get 500 you think the next time very carefully before you click READY.
And I think it is a real big mistake, it is like you prepare a certain strategy with somebody and he leaks it to your opponent
that would be crazy demotivating for the players. And the Aoe expert scene is not that big.
What are you even talking about. You ever heard of proportionality ?
Would be the same if you would be send to prison for 1 year for taking an apple from a tree you dont own. Because technically thats theft.
To conclude I think, we shouldn't punish the guy to hard in the game result, so something an autoloss for the whole series should be out of question.
Oh, please stop it. So an autoloss in a series is too much of an punishment but taking part of the pricemoney is alright? What would be your punishment for daut for not being able to play his NAC game? Hopefully no admin is crazy enough to implement that for a mistake that small.
I think loss of restart and non-hidden civ pick for player A so player B can react to it would be the fairest solution, but in the end every tournament organizer of the future should just put it in the rules how he would handle it.
I just offered another option of not ****ing about games for viewers and make it boring. like some said AW at that map. or stuff which could end in 2 very bad games because of bad matchups, resulting in losing that player probably for the tournament.
But as I see the community loves such stuff then we should keep going like that but that nobody should complain anymore about things like that happening. For me it is a mess and frustrating if someone cant read rules of a tournament and takes part in it. Especially if I spent any money for that tournament. And me personally would not like to give such a player any kind of prizemoney.
For the Daut situation, this was a thing you maybe can call higher power. He just had no stable internet connection as far as I know, because he didnt have a 2nd cable. Sure probably you should have more but yeah. And he got punished super super hard for it. He lost the whole series and dropped to loser brackets. But a guy who doesnt do the effort to read the official rules everything is too much.
I agree rules+punishment has to be officially published not only the rule.
This is terribly unfair to the player who did nothing wrong. Anything short of admin loss on the game is unfair. You could spend a week practicing with a specific civ for a specific map, and in this scenario the other guy can expend a restart to force you to go with an unprepared civilization.Player A, who picked wrong civ should be forced to use his restart and both players have to pick their civs open from the remaining civ pool and - as player A knows now what civ player B wanted to go for - Player A has to choose first, so player B might just do a counter pick. If player A does not have any REs left, AW for Player B.
That's exactly why this is a bad idea. You are very likely to lose 2 games for choosing the wrong civ in just one game. Admin loss of the game is more fair to both players.With Nili's rule the opponent can pick the civ they were expecting, or the civ they would most want to play against - no prepared strategies ruined.
The only problem with this rule is just that it can sometimes be too punishing since it can lead to a heavy disadvantage in 2 games (eg. having to play Italians when there is a water map later in the series.)
This is terribly unfair to the player who did nothing wrong. Anything short of admin loss on the game is unfair. You could spend a week practicing with a specific civ for a specific map, and in this scenario the other guy can expend a restart to force you to go with an unprepared civilization.
It's not like it's easy to misclick civs, and if you're too lazy to keep track of the ones you already used then you shouldn't win anyway.
I dont think you actually understand the problem here. You can take away the price money for that player, but that is not a solution that is fixing the problem in any way.
I mean, you still have the problem that the player picking the wrong civ has seen his opponent civ choice for the upcoming game and can take advantage of that with his own civ pick.. so just punishing and demotivating a Player by taking away potential price money for what might have been just a misclick is defenetly not "a solution that punishs the viewers as least as possible" because in fact it is not a solution at all.
We are looking for a good solution for cases like this to make the tournament go on as fair and professional as possible in a manner of sports, not for clueless punishment that doesnt help.
And for the DauT situation, Nili would have had to make a completely new schedule, the games needed to be done within a week and if Vinchester didnt have any more time to play in that timeframe, AW to him was the most logic solution since he was there and ready to play at the scheduled time.