This drama is pathetic, 3/10... not worth reading
Amazing job, you got people talking. But not in a respectable way, just people DM'ing bad words to an admin spending his time and doing his bit for the community. What an amazing reach you have. Instead of tweeting like that and adding name in the last tweet, you could've easily just asked Chrazini for his part of the story. You used a decent word in your post: Irresponsible. You've lost a fan.Even though Im not one of the players involved in this I did speak out and would like to follow up as well now that all the details have been made public.
Before I get into it I have to say that I don't approve of people sending you DMs and saying whatever they said, and the point of my tweet wasn't to simply call you out, but to shine light on something that was otherwise gonna be swept under the table, which I couldnt sit back and watch tbh. Notice I hadn't even mentioned your name initially chrazini, and simply focused on the admin loss decision and why I felt it was unfair for belgium. Sticking up to a player in a difficult situation DOES NOT equal attacking the other person. I never said anything about u other than claiming this decision was terrible. So idk what crucifixion your talking about, and I hope nothing too serious happened in DMs.
Now more on topic, the main issue I have is how easily were handing out admin losses and how little the voices of the players matter. I also believe theres not enough flexbility for players and they often have to over-compensate for other things going wrong (example server issues, crashes,etc) . I understand its the job of the admin to enforce rules and make things run smoothly, but I also understand that theres 100k total on the line, and 3k + lan event as a base prize is potentially life changing for players. So therefore in situations where there are delays it cant ONLY fall on the responsibility of the players to adjust and keep the show rolling, especially when there are so many different time zones. I'd much prefer the broadcast to announce some delay, games be played at other times and casted, or other viable although not optimal solutions. Spread the damage thin rather than have it all drop on one guy because he couldn't overcompensate and cover the delays of others.
Firstly I have to question why its ok to play the game later that day and not the next day. We allowed stark-f1re 3 hours to my knowledge to finish their games (for whatever reason thats fine) but then we want Belgium to play right after that regardless of the situation? You said "It states you must immediately play your next match once it becomes available" but surely this is in the context of matches finishing early or late depending on how long sets take, right? If this rule is meant to include 3h long delays and potentially longer ones in the future, then in my opinion thats just an unreal expectation and further proves my point about players having to constantly over-compensate for mistakes other than their own.
I agree we dont wanna delay the broadcast too much, because then every player would have a delay in their set and the casters would need to wait more. However there is no reason to not have the players play at 11gmt the following day, when the next set started at 14:30gmt. Belgium and F1re playing at 11gmt is causing absolutely 0 delays in this case, and they both agreed to play at that time. I just wanna point out that we chose to disqualify a potential contender who invests hundreds of hours into this game, and dozens of hours specifically to train for this tourney. and you preferred to disqualify him rather than notify streamers there might be a MAX delay of 30 mins to the tourney (and in this case literally 0). The argument that you don't want things to go wrong right last minute is also flawed, because it can be arranged that should there be server issues from 11gmt-13gmt then in that super rare and unfortunate case we give belgium the admin loss. It just seems like we jumped straight to the harshest punishment instead of trying to salvage the situation. Easy way out for everyone except belgium eh?
The result for the streams would be the exact same if the players play the night before or the morning of, the only difference is we don't follow your rule of having to play that same day no matter what. There are countless things that couldve been done to lesson the punishment on Belgium without hindering anyone else. Why are we not exploring those options? Why is it ok to give someone an admin loss but not delay the broadcast 30 mins? Why should ONLY Belgium suffer because stark-f1re was delayed 3h? He showed up on time ready to play and offered some solutions after things came up.
I get it, it woulda been ideal if Belgium could cancel what he had to do and just play right after the delays. I dont know what he had to do, and there may have been better cooperation. However I also think there were many many solutions to this, and players being ultra-flexible isnt the only thing to look for.
For the record I have no reason to be speaking up about this other than feeling gutted for a fellow player being treated injustly. Me and belgium aren't best friends, I'm not out to get chrazini or disrespect any admins, I always respect their tough decisions and their work. However I felt like there was some clear injustice done here, and I for one don't wanna stand idly by and watch someone lose out on a huge opportunity because of something outside his control.
I don't care if this reflects poorly on me from the public eye, belgium reached out and was happy I spoke out on his behalf, and we might see some changes to how things are run going forward which would make this all worth it. The saddest part is that after all this, belgium will likely receive 0 compensation.
If people think my tweet was irresponsible, lemme ask you this: had I not spoke out would this be getting talked about? Would we hear both sides of the story? Seems to me that it woulda been swept right under the rug, think about that for a second. I'll take a bit of irresponsibility rather than see these kinds of things go unnoticed
Uhh, if the schedule on liquipedia and the recorded game upload time on aoe2.net are correct, then they played on Sunday for slam, not Saturday.
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The handbook stated very clearly which games had to be played on Saturday and which on Sunday. I do not see anyone's fault here besides Project Belgiums. He knew that he had to play a certain number of rounds on Saturday starting 15:00 his time and still he schedules another errand apparently between 20:00 and 24:00. He was taking a huge risk with that (even without any delays, 5 hours is not much for the number of rounds scheduled for Saturday) and unfortunately for him it did not pay off.available to finish all of his matches as expected, as described in the handbook. It states you must immediately play your next match once it becomes available.
Either you allow all players to have delay before games or you dont allow anybody. If PB cant play emidiatly after disqaliffay him, but do so to all others who had same problems. If you allow people to delay then allow evrybody to do so. Also decision they cant play next day was based on admins feelings and not on offical handbook. Yes, i would have problems with such an admin as well. Thats not even counting that one game had completly wrong settings on which they played and admin did noting in that case. If you want to hide your biased decision bhind tournament rules at least apply them to all participants.
Wonder how many people are now banned in Hera chat :D
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Pretty sure Dreams had banned 30-40% of users at one point. Guy just did not have the temperament to be a moderator, 11
Can we please start a new drama thread for this blatant lie?
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