We understand that, although I think for many economical situation didn't get any better in last year or two as well, i myself lost a job due company facing hard times. But even without that, as an example my loan for apartment from 300 got to 450, i mean not like i was donating much, but I have donated some. I mean I don't want to whine here or anything, but all that extra money we have to pay now could have gone to some hobbies like aoe2, now many ppl use it on more needed things.Memb has just released a video that he might not do tournaments anymore because of money issues. and some people here complaints about puting some advertise in maps because of the "comunity" and i dont know what more.
i think is a legitimate strategy to bring more brands and so the hosts can continue to make the tournaments that are good for all the people that loves this game.
its so obvious when you see it.
this is the reason i want the advertising in the maps. so people can watch without donating. you just make more reasons to my point. people dont have more money, so we need to get it for other places. obvious if we want to continue with all the tournaments we already have, that for me is a good number.We understand that, although I think for many economical situation didn't get any better in last year or two as well, i myself lost a job due company facing hard times. But even without that, as an example my loan for apartment from 300 got to 450, i mean not like i was donating much, but I have donated some. I mean I don't want to whine here or anything, but all that extra money we have to pay now could have gone to some hobbies like aoe2, now many ppl use it on more needed things.
And what I hardly understand, that might be my issue, but why hosts even try doing that, first Nili, now Memb, I mean if you get donations you always can add more to prize pool, I understand it's nicer to advertise 50k prize pool, but as I understand there is not really issues from MS side to use 10k on organising tournament and putting 40k to prize pool, again, I might be wrong, but that's what I got from all the talks I have heard. Why not taking some from prize pool and have all expenses covered and then see what you can improve, but focus on what you need to?
I mean any extra money coming would help, that's for sure, but I feel we are at strange point. I wasn't on HD times here, so I might miss some things, but as I understand there were only rare tournaments, so community had more reasons to as to say split the bill. If tournaments happening every 2 months, I feel it's hardly realistic to expect to get 10k donations for every Nili and Memb tournament. Then there is Hera, Viper. I mean it just doesn't work like that. I understand that Memb has to earn money to make tournaments, but at same time there are not enough people to donate 10k to every tournament happening every 2 months. Also there is completely different situations, where you love the game and someone hosts a touranment once or twice a year and you want to help (like voobly I imagine), but then there are many tournaments and let's say Viper hosts it, he is already 100x richer than me, should I really donate? I mean it's philosophical question, if I enjoy, I perhaps should, but what I mean it's not the same to donate and try to keep the game alive when there are 2 tournaments a year and when there are tournaments that if I watch them all I won't even have time to play myself.
I'm sorry if it offends or discourages anyone from hosting or doing something, but we have to understand that most people don't have that much "extra" money and at some countries economical situation got much worse( I would imagine most of europe because of EURIBOR) and on top of that there are many tournaments to choose from to support, perhaps there are some other things aligned. Also I guess my main point is if you organize 1 tournament per year, it's quite logical that people donate and want to support you, but if you organize 5 tournaments a year, people still want to support and help you, but can't do that to same degree every tournament.
And if they get more sponsors but would put all money to prize pool we would have same situation.
And what is stopping tournament organizers making a mod with advertisement-terrains for maps and making it mandatory for casters to use that while streaming the tournament?Just watch the ESL from ST2, watch how there are advertising on the flor of the map, its not invasive at all, it doesnt change the game, it doesnt interfer the game.
there are advertising in the bases, in the midel of the map, MONSTER, UNITED STATE AIR FORCE, another logos in the bases and around the map.
The game isn't everything.its not invasive at all, it doesnt change the game, it doesnt interfer the game.
Well then you can simply ignore the multiple microsoft and advertiser supported tournaments with logos in the arabia sand, and watch the 1-2 community sponsored 10k tournaments.The game isn't everything.
Ads change the world. They change people's psychology and behavior, they insult people's intellect, they push time and money where they don't belong.
I don't want AoE to be an even larger part of this business nonsense. If that means, there will be only two croud-funded 10k-events per year and no full-time streamers, so be it. I don't have the time to watch all that content anyways.
I hope they try to do it. I dont know if they try it already and i dont know if they read this forums anymore.And what is stopping tournament organizers making a mod with advertisement-terrains for maps and making it mandatory for casters to use that while streaming the tournament?
We already had dautgrass mod for fun, clearly it is possible.
The game isn't everything.
Ads change the world. They change people's psychology and behavior, they insult people's intellect, they push time and money where they don't belong.
I don't want AoE to be an even larger part of this business nonsense. If that means, there will be only two croud-funded 10k-events per year and no full-time streamers, so be it. I don't have the time to watch all that content anyways.
Whats the point of advertising if behavoir isnt changed then?I hope they try to do it. I dont know if they try it already and i dont know if they read this forums anymore.
if your behaivour is changed because an advertise, i think you have problems.
and if you dont want to watch bigger tournaments, just dont watch it. you say BS and then you say that you dont have time to watch it. its contradictory.
as the other person said, go watch only the litle tournaments and let the big ones for the rest. but dont come to say BS
If it wouldn't change people's behavior, why would anybody pay money to place them?if your behaivour is changed because an advertise, i think you have problems.
For my time budget, there is more content now than I can possibly consume. How does that disqualify me from having an opinion about the overall direction of that content (which I do consume within my time budget)?you say BS and then you say that you dont have time to watch it. its contradictory.
Do you think the majority of viewers would enjoy a perfect tournament like Warlords 2 significantly less, if the prize pool were 10k and the level of play were a bit lower?No skin off your back, and allows tourney organizers to continue hosting large high-production tournaments that the majority of viewers enjoy watching
Without the big dollars that go into production behind the scenes? Commitment of pros to practice the maps because the money is meaningful? Yes, I think they would enjoy it less because the quality would be lessDo you think the majority of viewers would enjoy a perfect tournament like Warlords 2 significantly less, if the prize pool were 10k and the level of play were a bit lower?
I don't remember Hidden Cup 2 (for example; quite exactly 10k prize pool) to be less enjoyable than the S-tier tournaments nowadays.Without the big dollars that go into production behind the scenes? Commitment of pros to practice the maps because the money is meaningful? Yes, I think they would enjoy it less because the quality would be less
That's a really hypothetical, yet debatable statement. If top pros couldn't deliver such quality we might be in for big upsets, through game-changing mistakes. I, personally, don't think I would enjoy it less, as it would be the top level of play I would see anyways.Without the big dollars that go into production behind the scenes? Commitment of pros to practice the maps because the money is meaningful? Yes, I think they would enjoy it less because the quality would be less
Liereyy likes this postAnd I am pretty sure, 90+% of viewers cannot identify the difference in level between a match Viper-Yo, where they have invested 20 practise hours, compared to 2 practise hours.
You mean to tell me that if pro player with thousands of hours of experience does not practice for a extra week or two (due to "small" prize pool) the drop in quality of those matches will be big enough so that viewers hundreeds of ELO points below them could actually tell the difference? I don't think so.Without the big dollars that go into production behind the scenes? Commitment of pros to practice the maps because the money is meaningful? Yes, I think they would enjoy it less because the quality would be less
So saying what you suggest is already possible is interpreted as people don't like progress?men people dont like progress, is amazing.
AoC can only go down hill from here unless we as comunity take control in our hands like was before
i dont understand your message, but the message you respond, is sarcastic, unless the last sentence.So saying what you suggest is already possible is interpreted as people don't like progress?
Huh.
im not talking about comercial succes.Leo, u have wrong idea that commercial succes improves games
Lets look at few examples:
* age2 (great) -> aoe3 (okayish) -> aoe4 (garbage)
* sc1 (great) -> sc2 (not great not terible)
* diablo1 (great) -> diablo2 (great) -> daiblo 3 4 etc (garbage)
* stronghold1 (great) -> stronghold2 (okay) -> stronghold3 (trash)
* wow, bc, wotlk (great) -> dozen of garbage expansions, lost the count long time ago 11
* cs 1.6 (great) -> csgo (sux)
* league of legend went from kinda fun to trash
same with battlefield, calll of duty, need for speed and prolly many more but only listed the ones i played personaly
My conclusion is that after big succes, new versions always go to **** and they can never repeat the same success
In fact i cant even recall a game that improved with time 11
Sadly the golden age of gaming is over when nerds used to make games for passion.
Busines ppl took over and all that maters now is big $$$
AoC can only go down hill from here unless we as comunity take control in our hands like was before
i dont understand your message
It is already possible, was for years. The Tournament Organizers simply dont do that for reasons only they know, I suspect a banner/image on overlay brings in just as much advertisement-money as they can get, considering how there are almost no outside sponsors for aoe2 events.I have this idea that i saw in SC maps. Why cant the AoE maps have advertise in some places? Like in the middle of Arabia, a banner from Red Bull? In migrations, posts in the water with microsoft flags? or any other brand. I dont know if im explaining correct.