Hmm interesting that you are at a decent level and still think AOE2 is faster.. hardly anyone who is above average in RTS games would agree with that but okay. I did make my points and we can agree to disagree. AOE2 is the slowest RTS game out of the 3 I've played, and all the RTS friends I have who played multiple games agree to that. Slow does not equal bad as I keep on saying though. Love the slower, macro/decision making/delicacy heavy AOE2.1v1 yes
Yeah I don't enjoy pro scout meta. I think scouts that are carrying deer should be slower (and monks with relics). I have Arena banned as I PERSONALLY don't think playing Arena is playing real RTS (almost no scouting potential, civ/map luck plays much more importance than actual game play) but from my very few experiences, I definitely hate Arena more than pro scouts.. just gotta avoid saying things as if it's concrete like "clash of pro scouts is worse than arena relic war btw". That could be true to you, but not true to everyone. But yeah, I do not like pro scout meta as well.To me 1v1 in both games have similar pace, aoe4 has faster early game but slower mid game, not sure if that has anything to do with the lack of score tho, sometimes people just play on even tho its fairly obvious that defeat is just a matter of time.
Clash of pro scouts is worse than arena relic war btw.
I definitely think AoE2 is a faster game than AoE4.Hmm interesting that you are at a decent level and still think AOE2 is faster.. hardly anyone who is above average in RTS games would agree with that but okay.
It's probably because most people you are referring to are from this community.I definitely think AoE2 is a faster game than AoE4.
I think more people will agree with AoE2 being a faster game than AoE4.
Whether the game feels fast or not has also to do with how fast the game dynamic changes with decision making. From the Feudal age onwards, Aoe2 is definitely more happening because of this factor.
They are promoting negativity towards AoE4 because AoE4 is a disappointing product to them (and is for many reasons that could be considered fairly objective) and because AoE4 does crowd out the game they like (AoE2) with a similar dynamic to SC2-BW. You seem to touch on the subject with the assessment that "BW support = wrong" and I think that mindset is causing you to have issues sympathetizing with people who dislike AoE4 more than you do.Yeap this kind of comments.. omg.. not sure if trolling
How many games have you actually played though especially after the meta has settled? (still not settled and will be a while, but at least after Genesis) At a high level, you can't really stone wall that easily unless maps are designed to be that way (just like BF or Arena in AOE2), tanky siege only applies to Chinese and the fact that siege can take out buildings much faster makes the pace much faster late game too. I've reached 2k on AOE2, and floating around top 150~300 in AOE4. So I think I have quite a unbiased opinion about this as I love both games.
AOE2 is much more about macro, delicacy (walling precisely as well as needing creativity sometimes), anda bit more importance on decision making compared to faster paced RTS imo. That's what's beautiful about AOE2. It DEFINITELY is slower, ask any high level player who plays BOTH games. Also, the reason a lot of AOE2 pros are trying AOE4 is NOT because they are getting paid to play that game from Microsoft (as explained by them multiple times), it's because THEY FIND IT FUN. Nothing wrong with that and I'm SURE they still love AOE2. I just don't get why we are turning this into a competition.
The reason I'm passionate about this is that this exact thing happened with Broodwar vs SC2 in Korea. SC2 is the "perfect RTS" that lived for a very long time and was the reason why Twitch boomed early 2010s. Never took off in Korea though because of close-minded people. Us Koreans are very conservative. The people who are bashing on AOE4 are exactly that at the moment. Could have both games do really well, if AOE4 brings new players to RTS, ultimately that's good for AOE2 as they are both RTS, and people might be curious on the roots of AOE4 if they enjoy it.
Look, both you and Hunyadi's comments shows the mindset of "that game sucks, no one should play it". I'm sure deep down you'll admit to this. That's what's really annoying. Why are we fighting and dividing ourselves? If you think it sucks, sure just don't play it. You don't have to keep pushing negativity towards that game. Why are we trying to promote negativity towards AOE4? You know that you can play both games right? and if you don't, fine, but there are a lot of people who enjoy AOE4. Why do you feel that they are doing something wrong? (you may say, I never said that, but come on, you do think it).