Is TheViper's dynasty over?

[thepitzaboy]

The skill level of the game is at the highest its ever been, I felt like Viper got out drafted(and not outskilled) every single time he lost, not sure what is going on but it just seems he is trying too hard to play with some different strategy when his mechanics are fairly comparable to both Hera and Lierrey...

 

[SouFire]

According to Liquipedia, there were 7 S-tier solo EW/RM tournaments in 2022. Viper won 2 of them, Yo won 2 of them, while the rest were won by Vinchester, Hera and TaToH respectively. 3 wins for GL and only 1 for AM. And the first S-tier tournament in 2023 was also won by Viper. The AM domination only exists in your imagination.

Maybe you are using google translator, but i said specifically GL events not global events, so far this nac and the sheep thing are on AM hands and lets not even talk about BOA last year, the bad thing about it is that they are not even fighting for the first places on their events.

 

[heheloveer]

Maybe you are using google translator, but i said specifically GL events not global events, so far this nac and the sheep thing are on AM hands and lets not even talk about BOA last year, the bad thing about it is that they are not even fighting for the first places on their events.

No one cares about whether an event is sponsored/hosted by GL or not. It doesn’t affect how the tournament is played. Like you said GL were heavily involved in like 2 of the last 8 S-tier solo tournaments, which by pure coincidence are the only ones won by AM. This doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. The last two BOAs were also extremely close. GL members are older, sure, but I don’t see why they would suddenly become “irrelevant” after this tournament.

Also you amuse me by suggesting that I used machine translation, since I’m a part-time (hopefully full-time in the future) translator myself. Information is easily missable and I apologize for replying without completely understanding what you were saying, but this could happen to anyone, including native speakers.

 

[Lot]

Soufire cherry-picking his data as usual to prove his point, nothing new

 

[Maurice8]

Viper despite being "washed up" for 3 years or so is still winning most of S-tier tournaments.
Let's remember NAC has a 9-vill start which is kind of EW-like which always gave advantage to players like Hera/Lierrey.

Against Lierrey, when it was 3-3 Viper was super close to beating Lierrey, the islands game clearly favoured him so if only he was able to win Enclosed he would be in a great position.

Hera looks dominant but in the finals i'm cheering for Lierrey, he deserves a S-tier win.

 

[SouFire]

Soufire cherry-picking his data as usual to prove his point, nothing new

Just based on this topic and my previous comments i was one of the few still defending viper's dominance despite losing 1 or 2 events cause he was still winning more events during those years.

2022 sets the precedent, viper wasn't the most dominant player during that year and i am not cherry picking any data, but as usual ad hominem comments ar the most predominant around.

 

[heheloveer]

Just based on this topic and my previous comments i was one of the few still defending viper's dominance despite losing 1 or 2 events cause he was still winning more events during those years.

2022 sets the precedent, viper wasn't the most dominant player during that year and i am not cherry picking any data, but as usual ad hominem comments ar the most predominant around.

2020: 5 S-tier Non DM Solo tournaments, Viper won 2 of them.
2021: 7 S-tier Non DM Solo tournaments, Viper won 2 of them.
2022: 7 S-tier Non DM Solo tournaments, Viper won 2 of them.

I don't know, this somehow sounds like Viper's competitiveness hadn't changed much during the last two years. What a shocker.

 

[Uakol]

As a Viper fan, I think it's obvious that he's no longer the dominant player who sets the pace in the game. While I can't speak for others, it's worth noting that there are three main events in aoe2, NAC, HC, and KOTD (the Red Bull tournament being a new and different concept). Viper won the first three NACs, the first three HCs, and the first two KOTDs. Even Viper himself would likely admit that things are not the same as they used to be for now.

 

[Zbyszek]

This thread was created when Viper had more recent 1v1 tournament wins than all other players compined.
Today he only has more wins than anyone else.
As a currently 1600/1800 player I wonder how he can live with that.

 

[Davion]

Gallstones dont come overnight.
But Villese has a positive record against Viper for a reason. its not like the group stage matter a whole lot in this tournament.

Just to top off on Ville's achievements against snek, Viper said in the new podcast with Nelson that day 1 against Villese he was normal, the gallstones pain kicked in from day 3

 

[Hunyadi_]

I don't think Viper's form necessarily dropped. Maybe it has but let's not forget he had some health issues to deal with during NAC. But I think more importantly everyone else's level has caught up to him. Especially Hera and Lierey.

It's more competitive than it has ever been and I hope more players get to that top 5 level of play. MBL will go full time soon and Hearttt has been putting in the grind.

 

[plfan]

Well guys. We need to talk.

 

[amazing_knight]

Well guys. We need to talk.

Are you breaking up with us?

 

[Chezdon]

Viper's done, lads. The (H)era is upon us now.

 

[AlBundy95]

Yes, two events won in a row are almost as equal achievement as years of total and brutal domination.

 

[warownia]

Truth is that arabia is irrelevant map anyway. The real test of Vipers dynasty being over again will be Master of Arena 7.

 

[USC_kiky]

Truth is that arabia is irrelevant map anyway.

Agreed. Only the one who dominates the Death Match can claim his own dynasty.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

Who cares about the dynasty question any way...

 

[Davion]

Agreed. Only the one who dominates the Death Match can claim his own dynasty.

Andy Andy Andy

 

[Faultier321]

I guess we are in the Hera dynasty now. It is what it is.
I always thought we would be entering Larry dynasty but he is just too lazy to play it seems. Larry is basically Ronaldinho

 

[TopperHarley]

Truth is that arabia is irrelevant map anyway. The real test of Vipers dynasty being over again will be Master of Arena 7.

Honestly, if Hera wins MoA as well, we are most certainly in the Hera era.

Edit: Don’t think Hera signed up?

 

[Lokalo]

Honestly, if Hera wins MoA as well, we are most certainly in the Hera era.

Edit: Don’t think Hera signed up?

No, I think he said he has something during moa, also he said he probably wouldn't sign even if he was free 11.

Well I like that seems we are finally over era where few pro players like Liereyy and Viper could mostly just train 2 weeks before tournament and be top1-4. Hera trains as much if not more for tournaments and he grinds really a lot, hopefully it pushes more top players to play more often. Curious about Liereyy too, if he will be like fk this sht or he will actually get some motivation to train more.

It's interesting times for sure, at one point it seems its the hardest times to predict who will win sets as it ever was and at same time hera seems becoming clearer and clearer nr. 1.

 

[Beanslinger]

Let's not count Lierrreyy out yet, he has been the runner up for every S tier tournament. On a normal day its either Hera vs Liereyy or Viper vs Leireyy in the finals

 

[USC_kiky]

Will there ever be a 1v1 tournament with a loser bracket? With a loser bracket we can get a more confident ranking for the top 4, like A>B>C>D, since the impact of seeding/bracket or a bad day can be minimized.