I'm glad we still have Memb. His never ending energy and enthusiasm for the game is what's keeping my interest alive to follow tournaments. He's truly the MVP, his hype never dies.
I'm glad we still have Memb. His never ending energy and enthusiasm for the game is what's keeping my interest alive to follow tournaments. He's truly the MVP, his hype never dies.
Well people can manage their downtimes, Memb is not a series that when you miss one episode, everything else is meaningless.Never ending hype is not sustainable. People need down time.
While I won't comment about the his job as a tournament coordinator (liaison?). However, I always felt like Nili as a streamer/caster could have gotten a lot bigger after Viper and T90 left and could have helped fill some of that void left by them. But he decided to choose to grind to try to be a top player. Of course that is his choice just like it was T90's and Viper's but I feel that also can be described as a bad thing to happen to the game (at least based on his implied definition of bad).I just listened podcast thanks to your link. At the beginning of it I listened a conversation where Masmora quoting Nili:
"Viper and T90 leaving Twitch was probably one of the worst things happened to the game."
That's pretty bold, especially coming from Nili, considering how he abandoned AOE2 completely when AOE4 arrived, channeled all sponsor plus MS money into AOE4. At that moment pro game level was re-living its golden era after 20 years and suddenly all money and obviously pro players moved to AOE4 (except MBL almost everyone) while AOE2 was in abandoned state for couple of months. Except a small correction in AOE2 numbers when AOE4 failure realized and players returned, it is continuos decline since then.
I am sure Viper and T90 taking it cool and nicely because they are close wih Nili, but man that's a great deflecting move to put the blame on others.
You could say that. On the other hand, aspiring to become a better player could also be seen as a benefit to the caster ability, with further deepened understanding of the highest level games. But that he’s (temporarily?) lost viewers in the process, there’s no doubt about.While I won't comment about the his job as a tournament coordinator (liaison?). However, I always felt like Nili as a streamer/caster could have gotten a lot bigger after Viper and T90 left and could have helped fill some of that void left by them. But he decided to choose to grind to try to be a top player. Of course that is his choice just like it was T90's and Viper's but I feel that also can be described as a bad thing to happen to the game (at least based on his implied definition of bad).
Viper seems to be happy. I would be very surprised if Viper will return to Twitch after his FB deal ends. He seems to really hate current policies of Twitch. He seems to be more interested in Kick and their 95/5 % share.One year or more later: Both Viper and T90 feel non-existent as streamers. How can they be satisfied with that? Do the facebook-deal really pay off? Does anyone know details?
If anything, he’d probably go to Youtube. Kick has a bad reputation, so even if the deal is good, I hope Viper has the integrity to stay away from a deal there.Viper seems to be happy. I would be very surprised if Viper will return to Twitch after his FB deal ends. He seems to really hate current policies of Twitch. He seems to be more interested in Kick and their 95/5 % share.
All of them have issues. Amazon treats it's employees like ****, couple of Amazon employees have died on shift after they were not allowed to take sick leave or go to doctor. Meta has a history of privacy and moderation issues. And you can propably write a book on all the issues Google has had.If anything, he’d probably go to Youtube. Kick has a bad reputation, so even if the deal is good, I hope Viper has the integrity to stay away from a deal there.
He seems to be more interested in Kick and their 95/5 % share.
Fair points. I was mainly thinking about the fact that Kick seems to welcome streamers that have been banned for various reasons on i.e. Twitch, so their rules seem a lot less strict.All of them have issues. Amazon treats it's employees like ****, couple of Amazon employees have died on shift after they were not allowed to take sick leave or go to doctor. Meta has a history of privacy and moderation issues. And you can propably write a book on all the issues Google has had.
Edit: this was the point Viper made in TC podcast. If you try to be moral, you can't stream on any platform. It is what it is.
Well, that’s only natural with the release of a huge new DLC and a variety of larger content creators showcasing it. It won’t last. The IV tournaments have been doing allright by the looks of it, but the aoe2 ones have been significantly higher still.For the last weeks, aoe4 had insane increases in viewers on twitch, is is currently at about 80% of aoe2 viewers even after the return of viper and t90
Doesn't sound unreasonable.For the last weeks, aoe4 had insane increases in viewers on Twitch, is is currently at about 80% of aoe2 viewers even after the return of viper and t90
who cares, aoe2 is not competing with aoe4, can´t believe you guys keep bringing this topic again.
«aoe2 viewer base is also not increasing but rather decreasing so I would be very watchful over next one year before making conclusions»At the moment no, but if aoe4 really takes off then MS funding aoe2 will definitely be adversely impacted
MS is only funding aoe2 so they can keep selling dlcs. We will reach a saturation there if we have not reached there already.
aoe2 viewer base is also not increasing but rather decreasing so I would be very watchful over next one year before making conclusions
Warlords had more than 40 000 viewers at peak. Also, stats across several years don’t show significant decline for aoe2, at least not to a point of concern ye
The 50k and 75k happened in a time where there was still a nearly worldwide lockdown and a lot of people were forced to stay at home. If anything, this situation artificially inflated the viewer numbers. It is not a fair comparison.If I remember correctly then big events like HC, NAC, Redbull used to be like >50k and even going up to 75k some of those. 40k peak is still healthy but Lowe than what we experienced in past
The 50k and 75k happened in a time where there was still a nearly worldwide lockdown and a lot of people were forced to stay at home. If anything, this situation artificially inflated the viewer numbers. It is not a fair comparison.
I think you're forgetting about Viper and T90 leaving Twitch, which impacted viewer numbers a lot. Now that they're back viewer numbers are rising again. I'm guessing we'll get back to 50k for NAC5 and 75k for HC5In theory that argument is ok however for more popular esports both player numbers and viewership has been increasing even on top of the covid boost
While I think that 50k should be a good goal for NAC5, the platform of T90 and Viper shouldn't matter for that specific tournament, as they're both at the event, so not streaming on their channels, right?I think you're forgetting about Viper and T90 leaving Twitch, which impacted viewer numbers a lot. Now that they're back viewer numbers are rising again. I'm guessing we'll get back to 50k for NAC5 and 75k for HC5
Yeah, unless they multi-stream (which I don't think they did for previous NACs, so unlikely to happen this time), but even with that in mind I think there's already some people who have come over from their Youtube channels to Twitch, which might help a bit. Especially if they also host Nili's channel.While I think that 50k should be a good goal for NAC5, the platform of T90 and Viper shouldn't matter for that specific tournament, as they're both at the event, so not streaming on their channels, right?