I mean, a guy willing to hire coaching for such a meme price is the same person who would just donate 500 euros to the streamer anyway. No one else would pay for it so it's not a big deal.
Then is there any point to have it advertised as a service at all? I don't think idea of a fan with a dumb amount of money donating a lot for special access is not really objectionable it is more the arrangement with GL that makes little sense.I mean, a guy willing to hire coaching for such a meme price is the same person who would just donate 500 euros to the streamer anyway. No one else would pay for it so it's not a big deal.
He'd probably donate it so the viewers can see as well thoughI mean, a guy willing to hire coaching for such a meme price is the same person who would just donate 500 euros to the streamer anyway. No one else would pay for it so it's not a big deal.
Yeah realistically it is a problem that coaches even feel the need to point to their playing results to validate their coaching abilities. Two different skill sets and having a middling elo does not preclude someone from understanding the game well enough to help even elite players improve.@FlyLikeDjango
What makes me laugh is the belief that you have to be God knows who to coach people. Mourinho was a 800 footballer at bestyet somehow he manged to win Champions League twice as a coach. Keep up the work and dont listen to the haters.
finally someone using the correct currency symbolI will write you a random map script of your desire for 500€. Custom Scenarios go for 2500€.
Surely Viper's are aswell, otherwise I struggle with the comparison of you 30+, Viper 50.. We talked about Lierrey who offered coaching sessions for 25 like 6 months ago (maybe he still does), pretty sure that's underpriced aswell.. Weird, that everyone just undersells, right? Ah, yeah you use PDF with 3 languages and you train kids soccer, well my bad then.Say I was listed there at 50 euros an hour, which is still a lot to the point where I'd feel kinda bad because it's unlikely that they'll receive the benefits they might expect from my coaching
No i made way less than that at the time and still make a good amount less than that now from twitch. I just didnt wanna go to facebook cuz its a hastle and it can potentially halt growth. Plus i was in college so i had streaming as part time and I wanted to build a community, not get rich doing smthg mediocre.Didnt Hera turn down a 17k-ish/month FB offer last year? Meaning top players (streamers) potential opportunity cost are higher than that.
After you gave me a couple of classes, one day i didn't have enough money to pay for 2 class, and you gave it to me for free, you told me not everything is money, I want the community to grow, small details great guyNo i made way less than that at the time and still make a good amount less than that now from twitch. I just didnt wanna go to facebook cuz its a hastle and it can potentially halt growth. Plus i was in college so i had streaming as part time and I wanted to build a community, not get rich doing smthg mediocre.
Its not all about money in this business. No regret declining that offer
Yea I know you were making less than that at the time. But assuming the staff or manager or whoever from FB is not an irrational *****, the offer somewhat shows how much you are worth in their eyes (all things considered). And yes, leisure / QoL / career path / etc are definitely factors affecting decisions. 1-hour coaching isnt just like "Oh let me simply deduct one hour from my life".No i made way less than that at the time and still make a good amount less than that now from twitch. I just didnt wanna go to facebook cuz its a hastle and it can potentially halt growth. Plus i was in college so i had streaming as part time and I wanted to build a community, not get rich doing smthg mediocre.
Its not all about money in this business. No regret declining that offer
I am not trying to take sides here but remember that what is true for you is not necessarily true for everyone.You're not a great player and your understanding of the game is also not comparable to the top players. That's nothing personal, I can say I had very little understanding of the game when I was top500 player compared to what I have now and I'm sure if I keep improving, I'll look back one day and say how little understanding of the game I had when I was around top50 in the world. Funny enough, when I was 18x I thought the only difference between me and top player is micro, macro and speed. Being 2k1/2k2 I realize it's mostly understanding of the game. And I'd now feel really bad, if I imagine myself coaching players (in the worst case for money) when I was top500 and saying them that to be a top player you mostly need micro, macro and speed
This times 1000. I firmly believe that the only thing that changed since i was top 1000 (what, 1620?) And now 2100 (top 120 counting smurfs?) Is understanding and some archer micro but not much. And I think what I lack is mostly perspective, experience and decisionmaking. Theres some exceptions there: (mbl can kill 8 mangos and 30 archers off me with 1 mangonel and a repairing biliajer and thats why hes so insanely good, not cus of macro, cus his macro is really **** for a top player) but even most top 50 players cant do that.@FlyLikeDjango
B) You're not a great player and your understanding of the game is also not comparable to the top players. That's nothing personal, I can say I had very little understanding of the game when I was top500 player compared to what I have now and I'm sure if I keep improving, I'll look back one day and say how little understanding of the game I had when I was around top50 in the world. Funny enough, when I was 18x I thought the only difference between me and top player is micro, macro and speed. Being 2k1/2k2 I realize it's mostly understanding of the game. And I'd now feel really bad, if I imagine myself coaching players (in the worst case for money) when I was top500 and saying them that to be a top player you mostly need micro, macro and speed.
B) You're not a great player and your understanding of the game is also not comparable to the top players. That's nothing personal, I can say I had very little understanding of the game when I was top500 player compared to what I have now and I'm sure if I keep improving, I'll look back one day and say how little understanding of the game I had when I was around top50 in the world. Funny enough, when I was 18x I thought the only difference between me and top player is micro, macro and speed. Being 2k1/2k2 I realize it's mostly understanding of the game. And I'd now feel really bad, if I imagine myself coaching players (in the worst case for money) when I was top500 and saying them that to be a top player you mostly need micro, macro and speed.
Agreed, if you keep losing 2 vills to a boar only hiring a GL coach for 26.82 €/h can help you reach the next level:Even if you have amazing game knowledge, that won`t take you too far if you still lose 2 vills to a boar and can`t manage to control your feudal army with only minimal idle TC.
Firstly, why is the argument "if you think it's too much, don't pay it" valid for top players but not for others? 30€ is not a small price but also not completely over the top, in contrast to 500€.I honestly don't care at all how much you get from GL for the coaching, how much they take and such or why did you join them. The only important part is that the price is over 30€ for your coaching session and I'm saying it's ridiculous. There are 3 reasons for that:
A) Comparison with the other players. Yes, you say dogao's coaching sessions are underpriced.
Surely Viper's are aswell, otherwise I struggle with the comparison of you 30+, Viper 50.. We talked about Lierrey who offered coaching sessions for 25 like 6 months ago (maybe he still does), pretty sure that's underpriced aswell.. Weird, that everyone just undersells, right? Ah, yeah you use PDF with 3 languages and you train kids soccer, well my bad then.
B) You're not a great player and your understanding of the game is also not comparable to the top players. That's nothing personal, I can say I had very little understanding of the game when I was top500 player compared to what I have now and I'm sure if I keep improving, I'll look back one day and say how little understanding of the game I had when I was around top50 in the world. Funny enough, when I was 18x I thought the only difference between me and top player is micro, macro and speed. Being 2k1/2k2 I realize it's mostly understanding of the game. And I'd now feel really bad, if I imagine myself coaching players (in the worst case for money) when I was top500 and saying them that to be a top player you mostly need micro, macro and speed.
I agree that putting the specific achievements you mentioned there is quite weird as they have little to no relevance for the coaching. Imo, it would be much better to put coaching experience there than achievements as a player.C) I don't care if you're forced to put there achievements on your profile or if that's your will, it's your profile, you're providing the coaching. And same with Jupe, the point of those achievements is make you look like way better player than you are and it's done to a degree which seems more like a joke than anything else.
Yes, all this together - ridiculously high price, your level and the fact how the coaching and your achievements are put to make you look way better - that together is a scam and again, it's your lessons. Even if GL asked you and did all this against your will, it's your lessons and you're part of that scam.
I do agree, it's still few levels better than Jupe as he's even more expensive and his achievements are even more of a scam.
What you need to improve on in order to reach the next level isn´t the same for everybody and it`s not the same for every elo range either.
Let`s assume your experience reflects everybody else`s though and assume the only thing a 18xx needs in order to reach 2k1 is to understand the game better.
Do you think the same thing is true for a 10xx player wanting to get to 14xx?
I believe we both agree it isn`t.
Even if you have amazing game knowledge, that won`t take you too far if you still lose 2 vills to a boar and can`t manage to control your feudal army with only minimal idle TC.
I have no idea what´s Django´s elo, but I guess he is mostly coaching people who have a much lower elo than himself, in which case I`m certain he is very well capable of providing them the tools they need to improve. Perhaps even better than a top player would be able to.
Top players take too many things for granted and very often forget the kinds of things people at lower elos struggle with, because some of those things happen automatically for them and they don`t even think about them anymore.
Besides, people need to understand that being a good coach is not just having the knowledge.
Just as important, or even more so, is how you communicate that knowledge and how you interact with your student:
- Are you able to dumb down complex concepts into easy to grasp small pieces of information?
- Are you able to recognize when your student has internalized the basics of a subject and is ready to move to more specific things?
- Are you able to recognize when you are providing too much information at once and the student doesn`t understand what you are saying anymore and has already lost his train of thought?
- Are you able to be patient enough to repeat the same (to you) basic things 100 times until the student finally internalizes it?
etc. etc.
did you know "jupe" means skirt in frenchI personally was contacted by GL and their contract and offer seemed to be good enough for me to take it. I had nothing else to do with the texts/achievement page than linking them my liquipedia profile, i wonder if Dracken would consider liquipedia a fraudulent site as well as it displayes the same information?
Same prices coachings were offered 2 years ago are no longer valid to date; especially since corona and the growing community i believe most of the AoE 2 coaches from high elo don't offer for less than 20 usd per hour simply because there is bigger market and more people willing to pay for coaching. Also even 20 usd is bargain if you compare it to let's say, a music lesson.
As in any type of teaching or coaching i think while being in the very top of the ladder does help it is by no means any guarantee that the coaching itself will be good or helpful, finding the best method for every player you are coaching has been in my opinion a key. Personally i've been experimenting a lot of different coaching methods and especially in the beginning i even recorded my own session and watched them back to try and see what i did good, where i was unclear or wasted time for no reason. For example If you coach someone that is around 1000 elo, watch few recordings and go through all the mistakes; the player will be extremely confused in the end and it's unlikely that they will make any good progress from it.
As to who should get coaching, this is my personal opinion from wide variety the people i've coached: If you are ambitios and want to learn, get it asap. That way you learn all the basic mechanics and you get a head start to those people that are still trying to figure out the basic mechanics after thousands of games played. After that the best time to get coaching, if you wish to do so would be at the times where you feel you have been stuck at the same ELO and skill level for a while, and can't find a way out yourself. Alternatively you could buy video training from www.AoEBuilds.com with a monthly cost of less than one hour private lesson while opening most of the basic training from low elo to mid elo (aswell as more advanced classes from players like F1re and Vinchester). That was the reason i started the site in the first place - most things that i end up teaching could very well be learned via video lessons - atleast if you are the right person for that type of learning.