Ever heard about map bans?I'm not even suggesting we should go back to lobbies, I'm just saying that the map chosen should be a map that both players want to play. Is that really so ridiculous?
Ever heard about map bans?I'm not even suggesting we should go back to lobbies, I'm just saying that the map chosen should be a map that both players want to play. Is that really so ridiculous?
Just to make it understandable for even kindergarten kids, ill make an example here:
Lets say there are ten players in the pool
Player/ map A B C D E 1 ✓ ✓ 2 ✓ ✓ 3 ✓ ✓ 4 ✓ ✓ 5 ✓ ✓ 6 ✓ ✓ 7 ✓ ✓ 8 ✓ ✓ 9 ✓ ✓ 10 ✓ ✓
-If none of player 3-10 host a lobby, they will never get even a 2v2, as only map E is preferred by 4+ players.
-Now if one of them hosts a lobby, they might get a game.
-However, if 8 of them host more than two lobbies, they will most likely get doomed as theyll alter between lobbies.
-And this is just the case for 2v2s, imagine its 4v4. First you need the right player to host, then you cant host too many, otherwise it will take you forever to fill the spots.
-Additionally this is just a simple scenario of 10 players x 5 maps. (Basically a budget Voobly)
-Thats why matchmaking is needed.
-Thats why "forced" map pool is needed, otherwise player 1/2 will never get a game.
cant dodge que = faster queues for people who prefer MMcant dodge que = say bye to aoe ladder
can dodge que = shitty ladder + everyone angry.
can pick map = max players + most competitive ladders
Yes, you can't get the map you prefered map 100% of the time in TG. That's the trade off for a theoretically fair and quick MM. Due to Elo inflation and AltF4s, in practice this is not the case sadly .I'm not even suggesting we should go back to lobbies, I'm just saying that the map chosen should be a map that both players want to play. Is that really so ridiculous?
-Thats why "forced" map pool is needed, otherwise player 1/2 will never get a game.
I don't think anyone can deny this makes a lot of sense.Just a random thought I had... IF the devs manage to fix team games (alt+f4 fix + elo fix + whatever else they do) it'd be a great idea from Microsoft to host a big TG tournament and use it to publicize the fixes and improved experience. Maybe even have something in the tournament's name itself that gives info about the "revamped" system. So in that way everyone who left TG queue are aware of it and can come back to regrow the player base.
It's their own negligence that affected TG in the first place, so it'd be a nice touch from them if they contributed to revitalize it not only by fixing it but also putting money forward in the form of tournaments.
I know I'm getting of myself and it's just wishful thinking at this point but I still felt like sharing it.
And is 1v1 elo worth anything right now? There are multiple accounts around all diferent elo gaps that have over 80% of games played in arabia without alt+f4. Map variety is not even an argument against unlimited bans, yes there will be arena only players, nomad only...etc but right now we have arabia only players, 1 civ pick only players.At what cost and would it rly?
It wouldnt be as bad as it was on Voobly, but 1vs1 elo would be worth nothing again.
f.e if only one Player out of the top 200 plays Team-Island he will climb in the ladder like crazy, just because he cannot get matched against other top 200 players.
Arena Players would only play against arena players so again you would not be able to compare the elo of a clown and the elo of an arabia player.
Also waiting times for all maps would be worse compared to now, because you cannot get matched against evryone anymore which would lead to bigger elo difference for matching players -> less competitive games.
And that's the great thing about the MM (even though it has many many flaws) technically you can face any player, doesn't matter which maps you ban.
They just ackwnoledged it, but did not say what they would do.So, what is the concrete news about the fix for this issue? I havent seen it anywhere. How are the devs gonna fix this issue?
Ever heard about map bans?
They just ackwnoledged it, but did not say what they would do.
Classic devs.
Maybe 10m in queue for u, but it is a lot longer for those who want to play those maps.still gonna altf4 stuff like amazon tunnel and bf
why its should be my problem if i dont wanna play this? still better 10 mins in que than 2hours of 5 fps game
who is this map designers?
The communication of the devs must be really bad if we consider such statement as 'concrete news'.
A vague statement of 'we are looking into this' isnt concrete at all.
All of this talking about matchmaking algorithms and player morality. The fix lies with the maps.
First we need more higher-quality maps in the pool. The next step would be to create map-specific ladders: open, closed, water and nomad.
i didnt ask advices how or what should i do on ur fav mapsMaybe 10m in queue for u, but it is a lot longer for those who want to play those maps.
Consider this is the attitude of majority and they don't wants to play Arabia and you want to. I will be 1 dodge and 10m queue for them, but longer queue for u. Maybe actually learn to play different maps? You can be aggressive in BF and Amzn Tunnel too. But, it will involve you actually adapting your game style.
Then stop altf4ing amzn tunnel and Bf, dont queue for ranked, and play lobby games.i didnt ask advices how or what should i do on ur fav maps
Then stop altf4ing amzn tunnel and Bf, dont queue for ranked, and play lobby games.
I think the most fair solution is for you to go play lobby games, nobody takes those maps seriously. They are boring and way longer than a standard aoe game, almost nobody likes them (hence the long queues) so go play with people that do enjoy them and have the time to do so.
Fair to people who altf4. Just your opinion that it is boring and long. If u want to altf4 maps then u should be the one to go to lobby and play games there instead of wasting everyone's time.I think the most fair solution is for you to go play lobby games, nobody takes those maps seriously. They are boring and way longer than a standard aoe game, almost nobody likes them (hence the long queues) so go play with people that do enjoy them and have the time to do so.
This is such a ****ing toxic statement coming from someone who altf4s. it is worse than telling someone what they should do on their fav map, you are straight up telling them they can't play their fav map. Such hypocrisy!i didnt ask advices how or what should i do on ur fav maps
Said the guy who suggests to get gud 11This is such a ****ing toxic statement coming from someone who altf4s. it is worse than telling someone what they should do on their fav map, you are straight up telling them they can't play their fav map. Such hypocrisy!