Guys ffa games of any kind involve , require, an awful lot of game theory. It means you must consider more than just destroying all your opponents.
Sometimes its not in your best interest to kill an opponent, because he might be able to fight off another one that was attacking you etc.. please read more here if you need http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
Its impossible to justify any actions during game from an observer without knowing what went on in their head. They played the show match and played as however they saw fit leave these guys alone it's not fair.
Also something to read; implicit collusion will happen naturally in games (without prior agreement mind you) where naturally two palyers will know they can kill another opponent , before it comes to fighting each other. Perfectly natural and doesn't have to happen with prior agreement.
These players were invited to play, and play they did. How dare anyone question their motives and intentions.
This is kind of ignorant. Can you justify that it wasn't fixed? No. Neither sides can be proven.
I made an account just to post this, in this topic and one other one.
Remember the 90-9-1 rule. 90% of community lurks, 9% contributes, 1% creates. Some internet sociologist said that.
90%+ doesn't give a sh"t about some stupid FFA game but DO care about expert streams. I was watching all them on twitch and now they are gone. I was drinking a bottle of wine having a grand time watching a documentary then decide to go over to Viper's excellent stream and *POOF* WTF????????? So f"ck everyone and just put up your stream for the lurkers, the 90%
We are sad. And a little drunk. It's a bank holiday and the bar is closed. I'm in foreign country and my computer broke and the only AOE fix I can get is through streams. And now a great stream is gone.
EDIT: so screw your fancy dancy "community" being all angry, all you are doing is pushing new people like me and experts like Viper away
I made an account just to post this, in this topic and one other one.
Remember the 90-9-1 rule. 90% of community lurks, 9% contributes, 1% creates. Some internet sociologist said that.
90%+ doesn't give a sh"t about some stupid FFA game but DO care about expert streams. I was watching all them on twitch and now they are gone. I was drinking a bottle of wine having a grand time watching a documentary then decide to go over to Viper's excellent stream and *POOF* WTF????????? So f"ck everyone and just put up your stream for the lurkers, the 90%
We are sad. And a little drunk. It's a bank holiday and the bar is closed. I'm in foreign country and my computer broke and the only AOE fix I can get is through streams. And now a great stream is gone.
EDIT: so screw your fancy dancy "community" being all angry, all you are doing is pushing new people like me and experts like Viper away
This is not ignorant. I have studied game theory in depth, have you? If not maybe you are the ignorant one.
Can I justify that it wasn't fixed... NO. I can't. Can anyone else justify that it WAS fixed?? NO they can't. this is the nature of ffa games, not just aoc. Play poker on a high level and you may understand some time.
I understand your feelings towards this and why you react the way you do, but I think most of you are overreacting.
We were 100% sure RVK was gonna team up. When you enter a game with 8 players with 4 from each clan, taking the chance of the other team not working together is very risky, and yes, stupid imo. I warned a couple of days ago that it would most likely be like this due to who were participating. And I'm sure most of you aren't really surprised either. Zak did a great job making this happen, too bad people didn't appreciate the game.
I understand your disappointment in this not turning out to be the firework you expected, but 99% of you just sit and watch, expecting people to do everything for you and demand the money to be returned while you sponsored nothing. Zero sponsored 15$, Aoczone a big amount, I don't know who else, but if the sponsors feel they were cheated in anyway, feel free to say so, I'm sure DauT wouldn't mind giving back to those who feel cheated. However I know for sure Aoczone and Zero won't do that.
It was a game. Much worse things have happened where people react way less.
Daut won the 335$. While I'd be happy if he would share the money with me, he won't, meaning me, Dreams and Jordan won 0$.
And another thing to keep in mind. The Leader of TyRanT is the one providing all the money for the 15 000$ tournament, and if it is a success, as it has been so far, I can guarantee you there's more to come. Keep on bringing the hate, and you might find yourself regretting it when you lose a sponsor for big events. Don't forget the positive side TyRanT is bringing to the AOC-scene.
Guys ffa games of any kind involve , require, an awful lot of game theory. It means you must consider more than just destroying all your opponents.
Sometimes its not in your best interest to kill an opponent, because he might be able to fight off another one that was attacking you etc.. please read more here if you need http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
Its impossible to justify any actions during game from an observer without knowing what went on in their head. They played the show match and played as however they saw fit leave these guys alone it's not fair.
Also something to read; implicit collusion will happen naturally in games (without prior agreement mind you) where naturally two palyers will know they can kill another opponent , before it comes to fighting each other. Perfectly natural and doesn't have to happen with prior agreement.
These players were invited to play, and play they did. How dare anyone question their motives and intentions.
This is kind of ignorant. Can you justify that it wasn't fixed? No. Neither sides can be proven.
This is not ignorant. I have studied game theory in depth, have you? If not maybe you are the ignorant one.
Can I justify that it wasn't fixed... NO. I can't. Can anyone else justify that it WAS fixed?? NO they can't. this is the nature of ffa games, not just aoc. Play poker on a high level and you may understand some time.
go watch it on slow mode from my perspective with fog of war and ask if viper and jordan weren't teaming
But let's move on from it. I think taking advice from the most highly flamed player around would be weird, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. I ask that whichever one of you Tyrants is the most level headed give us an explanation about EVERYTHING that happened during that game. And don't give us that Dreams bull ****, that guy couldn't lie to a boot. No matter which way you guys twist it, and no matter what way you guys make it seem like you were victimized, the community is not satisfied. That's why when I ask this I think I'm speaking for the rest of us, give us another game, a real one, and not for money. We want to see you guys, who we all look up to, towering the **** out of each other and you and viper going at it, daut and dreams suiciding for gold masses, and TIM GRASSING SISTERS. You don't need a set of given guidelines, just remember the game is geared toward for OUR entertainment, not your competition.
Dogao, would you mind saying something else besides numbers that implies laughing? Did I say something wrong?
let's get on back to the hidden main topic in here, riut overrated? i'll sum it up in 3 points.
1.Condom, shut the hell up.
2.Daut was going to win anyway.
3.Riut would have won if he played.
let's get on back to the hidden main topic in here, riut overrated? i'll sum it up in 3 points.
1.Condom, shut the hell up.
2.Daut was going to win anyway.
3.Riut would have won if he played.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you in general. But for this situation it might not be the best example. If we had a FFA without any money but with the same players it would pretty much be the same scenario. We have 4 RVK players and 4 Tyrant members. No matter what, you won't ever attack your own clanmate if you have the option to attack the member of the opposite team. This was the case for all players in this situation