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HongeyKong

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Games got a lot longer once they nerfed ram / buffed starting TC.
 
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robo said:
Informal poll of the wise heads of AoEZone.

In each of the following situations how do you think AoE2 would be affected? (Worse off, the same, better off)
Feel free to explain why.

1) AoE4 was never announced, and therefore never created and released.

2) AoE4 was released in the same state but a few years earlier (say 2018/19).

3) AoE4 is released in the same state but a few years later (2023/24).

4) AoE4 is released in a better state but a few years later (2023/24).
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I'm nowhere near a wise head but these are interesting questions.

1. The hardest of them all as the premiss is hard to imagine. AoE4 and the DEs go together as parts of the same strategy to reintroduce the franchise. Yet if there was no word or mention of AoE4 but still the DEs were created and supported I do not think there would have been a significant difference. There would not have been a temporal split in the community but in the long run, I do not think much would change. There is a case that AoE4 is perhaps a good gateway for new players to AoE2 but that is very hard to measure and I guess we shall see in the future. I would rather say more people got reminded about AoE2 with AoE4 release than there are players joining AoE2 from AoE4. Even younger in general most AoE4 players already knew what AoE2 is about. These people would go and play the next new thing rather than decide to play a 22-year-old game they already know.

2. I don't think much would change either. We were already having a solid online community. It is just the initial split would have already been over and the dust settled.

3. Again no much difference for me. Just certain things would happen at a different moment.

4. This is the big question usually but I think again not much would change in the long run. As you ask about the "state" I never thought the big issues with AoE4 were how polished it was or when they shall fix the things they would eventually fix. To me, the main issues with AoE4 are the overall design, mechanics, speed, and unit responsiveness. If they introduced a more polished product they would probably keep more initial momentum but for a longer period, this game would never be able to compete with AoE2. Now if they released something completely different it could be worse or much better and we all could decide to switch, who knows.

Overall the effects AoE4 has on AoE2 are rather temporal not permanent. No matter when it was always going to happen as AoE2 is still a successful game and gives them a good reason to continue working on the whole franchise. I would not be surprised if in a few more years we see AoE5 again based on AoE2 success.
 
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Tempires said:
Frost Giant's game will probably be like Immortals aka Starcraft 2 clones so I don't see them competiting with AoE. Premade maps with 0 eco gameplay doesn't have any appeal to me. Also graphics will probably be weird alien stuff unlike AoE games.
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What do you mean by "0 eco" gameplay?
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
What do you mean by "0 eco" gameplay?
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AoE3 colloseum scenario style 11
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
What do you mean by "0 eco" gameplay?
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all you need is just create workers. everything is always next to your base and you can forget them. in aoe you need explore resources that are spread around map and not around your HQ, make lumber camps instead of you base next to resources, multiple resources instead of 2 that you need to gather in any situation. etc.
 
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Just create workers 4Head.

Oh but also saturate properly, assign the right amount of workers based on your strategy, take new bases, build new supply structures and military buildings, utilize mules/chrono boost, all while dealing with nonstop military pressure.
 
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Giuseppe551 said:
Just create workers 4Head.

Oh but also saturate properly, assign the right amount of workers based on your strategy, take new bases, build new supply structures and military buildings, utilize mules/chrono boost, all while dealing with nonstop military pressure.
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man, don't take things literally. point is It's nowhere as complex as in aoe. 2 resource types with res next to HQ tells it already. it's much more about military than eco
 
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i watch some SC2 games on youtube.
i know is faster paced, but like tempires said, you have only 2 resources, you know where the resources are. i watched that in the gas resource, you can only put 3 workers if you are zerg, dont know the others. you dont have to bring the boar, and the boar dont attack you because there is no boar, you dont have to push the deers, and so many other things. maps are way simplier than aoe2. in fact, dont know why there are diferent maps because are all the same. the resources are in the same point.

Giuseppe551 said:
Just create workers 4Head.

Oh but also saturate properly, assign the right amount of workers based on your strategy, take new bases, build new supply structures and military buildings, utilize mules/chrono boost, all while dealing with nonstop military pressure.
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all you say, there is in age2. and in age 2 you have 2 more resources, plus sometimes water, plus animals that can screw you at the begining.
the only thing for me, is the military presure, but i see some games that the pressure was not a lot. was similar to an aoe2 game in castel imperial.
 
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LeoMontero said:
i watch some SC2 games on youtube.
i know is faster paced, but like tempires said, you have only 2 resources, you know where the resources are. i watched that in the gas resource, you can only put 3 workers if you are zerg, dont know the others. you dont have to bring the boar, and the boar dont attack you because there is no boar, you dont have to push the deers, and so many other things. maps are way simplier than aoe2. in fact, dont know why there are diferent maps because are all the same. the resources are in the same point.


all you say, there is in age2. and in age 2 you have 2 more resources, plus sometimes water, plus animals that can screw you at the begining.
the only thing for me, is the military presure, but i see some games that the pressure was not a lot. was similar to an aoe2 game in castel imperial.
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SC2 is easier to manage in terms of eco balance.
Otherwise, it's more punishing of your mistakes in terms of army management. You slip up, you lose your entire army and gg. AOE2 has more venues for making comebacks.

All in all, both games have a high skill ceiling. One difference is that SC2 pros are all generally younger than the AOE2 pros.
 
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stanno said:
SC2 is easier to manage in terms of eco balance.
Otherwise, it's more punishing of your mistakes in terms of army management. You slip up, you lose your entire army and gg. AOE2 has more venues for making comebacks.

All in all, both games have a high skill ceiling. One difference is that SC2 pros are all generally younger than the AOE2 pros.
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sc2 pros do well in rts games in general. aoe2 pros mostly do well only in aoe2. (viper being the exception ofc).
 
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Lord Bolton said:
sc2 pros do well in rts games in general. aoe2 pros mostly do well only in aoe2. (viper being the exception ofc).
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And Hera, Capoch, Running, Daut, and a host of other players who have been competitive in other RTS games
 
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Giuseppe551 said:
Just create workers 4Head.

Oh but also saturate properly, assign the right amount of workers based on your strategy, take new bases, build new supply structures and military buildings, utilize mules/chrono boost, all while dealing with nonstop military pressure.
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Tempires said:
man, don't take things literally. point is It's nowhere as complex as in aoe. 2 resource types with res next to HQ tells it already. it's much more about military than eco
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It's "0 eco" in some ways relative to AoE2 but not others seems like a fair conclusion. I agree it feels a little more simplistic in terms of in-game mechanics but at the same time it requires many of the same management skills.
 
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One of these games has a 125.000 $ tournament going on right now 11...
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[KoBHV]venivero said:
One of these games has a 125.000 $ tournament going on right now 11...
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[KoBHV]venivero said:
One of these games has a 125.000 $ tournament going on right now 11...
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What about twitch gamepass, have you taken that into consideration :sneaky:
 
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stanno said:
SC2 is easier to manage in terms of eco balance.
Otherwise, it's more punishing of your mistakes in terms of army management. You slip up, you lose your entire army and gg. AOE2 has more venues for making comebacks.

All in all, both games have a high skill ceiling. One difference is that SC2 pros are all generally younger than the AOE2 pros.
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think SC2 is like EW. that thing you say of the army, in EW happens a lot.
 
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Lord Bolton said:
sc2 pros do well in rts games in general. aoe2 pros mostly do well only in aoe2. (viper being the exception ofc).
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no
 
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Lord Bolton said:
sc2 pros do well in rts games in general. aoe2 pros mostly do well only in aoe2. (viper being the exception ofc).
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That's a myth.
 
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SuperskinnyBLS said:
What about twitch gamepass, have you taken that into consideration :sneaky:
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They aren't taking in consideration the beast of all streaming platforms "facebook gaming"
 
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@MaSmOrRa how is that interview coming along?

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Is there any reason other than Marketing to splurge another 300k on aoe4 (glad aoe2 gets something as well) while its clear that the game has bottomed out and even the recent patches are not bringing the crowd back for aoe4.

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kw1k000000 said:
Is there any reason other than Marketing to splurge another 300k on aoe4 (glad aoe2 gets something as well) while its clear that the game has bottomed out and even the recent patches are not bringing the crowd back for aoe4
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please dont forget age 2 HD
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[KoBHV]venivero said:
please dont forget age 2 HD
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if you add to the age HD the people that play in voobly, it can tie the age4 numbers
 
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kw1k000000 said:
@MaSmOrRa how is that interview coming along?

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Is there any reason other than Marketing to splurge another 300k on aoe4 (glad aoe2 gets something as well) while its clear that the game has bottomed out and even the recent patches are not bringing the crowd back for aoe4.

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It doesnt look good at all.

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@MaSmOrRa what happened to your video? I keep coming to this thread when it is updated and leaving empty handed... What did you make him say, did he reveal how Gates put chips into Corona vaccines? They seem to have a lot of things to say compated to our standard Mou video this time.
 
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oozkan said:
@MaSmOrRa what happened to your video? I keep coming to this thread when it is updated and leaving empty handed... What did you make him say, did he reveal how Gates put chips into Corona vaccines? They seem to have a lot of things to say compated to our standard Mou video this time.
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Read his post from yesterday, i doubt nothing has changed in one day from asking https://www.aoezone.net/threads/new-redbull-wololoo-coming.181744/page-15#post-782211
 
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