Hello everyone,
I think we all saw the great tournament KOTD5 that brought a lot of enjoy to us - Thanks to Memb and all the organizers and the players - and at the same time it showed to us what are the most imbalanced civs again and how cleat it is that they still need more changes to bring a fair play.
According to aoestats.com, these civs got a veru high winrate on the tournament, and also in the ladder (some of them not that much high but still imbalanced), so here I will just put a list of all the problematic civ that it is hard to deal with in short, and just short hints about what we can do to each:
1- Lithuanians: Relic bonus is crazy and the UU is broken, also trash units may need a nerf for either the speed or the UT. The ignore armour mechanic thing is just a big mistake to be a thing in game especially as a free bonus and even free attacks from relics! Also their UT that gives skirms and halbs +2Pa needs a nerf, maybe make it +1Pa or make it cost more.
2- Eagles in General: I think it is clear that the +5 that the devs added to Eagles food cost didn't change anything of their broken spam so they need +5 more.
3- All the Meso civs (Crazy winrate in KOTD5 especially Incas): IMO all the 3 civs need a nerf regardless the general eagles food cost nerf. Nerf Aztscs team bonus and monks hp bonus, nerf Mayans eco and nerf everything Incas got newly to them.
Actually I am surprised that the devs buffed a civ like Incas in the first place, why they needed to buff them?! They were very good and need no bonus at all, we can say the same for Ethiopians also who got a huge buffs and also Malay.
4- Brokengundians: The civ name itself say it (Brokengundians), although the devs nerfed them but nah not enough, I think the UU, the stable discount & the team bonus all still need nerfs. Maybe also their gunpowder.
5- Huns: Regardless any winrate they have either on the ladder or tournaments, just when was the last time that this civ got a nerf?! Ironically they got a buff last patch LOL! IMO Huns need at least 2 nerfs, one for their team bonus, and the other one they should either lose xbow upgrade or Paladin.
6- Franks: They should lose the castle discount and maybe also the bushes bonus.
7- Chinese: Lets start with removing the camel line completely from their tech tree if possible or give them eco nerf to their techs discount.
8- Byzantines: One of the most annoying, problematic, and hardest civs to play against. High winrate in top tier ranked, and benig picked/banned in every draft and every tournament.
Two things should happen to Byzantines; their counter unit discount should go down to 15% and their imp discount upgrade should be 25% instead of 33% cheaper.
9- Gurjaras: Although they got many nerfs last patch which is a good step for the better, however, it seems the civ still a hard obstacle to play against even with the last buff for the infantry. Maybe losing 1 of the bushes under the TC and also a nerf for the team bonus from 25% to 15% will be good.
10- Portuguese: Their gold cost should down to 15%. They may need more later, their team bpnus also is strong may need a nerf. I actually don't know why the devs buffed them, they were good already.
11- Malians: Like Portuguese, I also don't know why the devs buffed them, their UU and also eco may need a nerf.
12- Ethiopians: Their machingun xbows are so hard to deal with, maybe instead of 18% make it 13%. Also their UU is super strong now.
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Civs that should get some nerfs regardless tournaments or ladder winrates:
* Berbers: Stable discount should be 10% castle, 15% imp and vills speed should be 5% at all ages. Also their UU is insane, it may need a cost nerf.
* Cumans: I said it before but I am sorry I have to say it again. Cumans with cheap military buildings and at the sametime have 2 TCs in feudal is just unfair and very hard to punish them with this. Pls at least remove the archery range discount from them.
* Teuuuuuuuutons: With all due respect, the farm discount may need a nerf, and honestly I don't like the free melee armour for stable units, maybe make it a UT or somthing, if you are a cav civ or infantry civ with bad CA or Xbows, you just literally resign vs Teutons.
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Civs that need some buffs and help or just a small changes:
* Saracens: A great civ that did very well in KOTD, but for the sake of God just pls reduce the Mameluke gold cost. Make it 70 instead of 85. Also give their CA or light cav a bonus since it fits their identity. Also their imp UT is so bad and usless 99% of the time.
* Celts: Can we pls get a bloodline for them at least or a plate barding armour? Also pls get back their dark age infantry speed bonus.
* Burmese: The UU should be a little bit cheaper and also faster, and also both of their UTs need a change.
* Persians: Both of their UTs need a change. Maybe give them UT that make their knight line regenrate hp or help their CA?
* What I said here in this topic may not reflect the opinion of the majority, but we open the door for discussion and exchange of views. If you disagree with us, express your opinion with respect.
Best Regards
I think we all saw the great tournament KOTD5 that brought a lot of enjoy to us - Thanks to Memb and all the organizers and the players - and at the same time it showed to us what are the most imbalanced civs again and how cleat it is that they still need more changes to bring a fair play.
According to aoestats.com, these civs got a veru high winrate on the tournament, and also in the ladder (some of them not that much high but still imbalanced), so here I will just put a list of all the problematic civ that it is hard to deal with in short, and just short hints about what we can do to each:
1- Lithuanians: Relic bonus is crazy and the UU is broken, also trash units may need a nerf for either the speed or the UT. The ignore armour mechanic thing is just a big mistake to be a thing in game especially as a free bonus and even free attacks from relics! Also their UT that gives skirms and halbs +2Pa needs a nerf, maybe make it +1Pa or make it cost more.
2- Eagles in General: I think it is clear that the +5 that the devs added to Eagles food cost didn't change anything of their broken spam so they need +5 more.
3- All the Meso civs (Crazy winrate in KOTD5 especially Incas): IMO all the 3 civs need a nerf regardless the general eagles food cost nerf. Nerf Aztscs team bonus and monks hp bonus, nerf Mayans eco and nerf everything Incas got newly to them.
Actually I am surprised that the devs buffed a civ like Incas in the first place, why they needed to buff them?! They were very good and need no bonus at all, we can say the same for Ethiopians also who got a huge buffs and also Malay.
4- Brokengundians: The civ name itself say it (Brokengundians), although the devs nerfed them but nah not enough, I think the UU, the stable discount & the team bonus all still need nerfs. Maybe also their gunpowder.
5- Huns: Regardless any winrate they have either on the ladder or tournaments, just when was the last time that this civ got a nerf?! Ironically they got a buff last patch LOL! IMO Huns need at least 2 nerfs, one for their team bonus, and the other one they should either lose xbow upgrade or Paladin.
6- Franks: They should lose the castle discount and maybe also the bushes bonus.
7- Chinese: Lets start with removing the camel line completely from their tech tree if possible or give them eco nerf to their techs discount.
8- Byzantines: One of the most annoying, problematic, and hardest civs to play against. High winrate in top tier ranked, and benig picked/banned in every draft and every tournament.
Two things should happen to Byzantines; their counter unit discount should go down to 15% and their imp discount upgrade should be 25% instead of 33% cheaper.
9- Gurjaras: Although they got many nerfs last patch which is a good step for the better, however, it seems the civ still a hard obstacle to play against even with the last buff for the infantry. Maybe losing 1 of the bushes under the TC and also a nerf for the team bonus from 25% to 15% will be good.
10- Portuguese: Their gold cost should down to 15%. They may need more later, their team bpnus also is strong may need a nerf. I actually don't know why the devs buffed them, they were good already.
11- Malians: Like Portuguese, I also don't know why the devs buffed them, their UU and also eco may need a nerf.
12- Ethiopians: Their machingun xbows are so hard to deal with, maybe instead of 18% make it 13%. Also their UU is super strong now.
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Civs that should get some nerfs regardless tournaments or ladder winrates:
* Berbers: Stable discount should be 10% castle, 15% imp and vills speed should be 5% at all ages. Also their UU is insane, it may need a cost nerf.
* Cumans: I said it before but I am sorry I have to say it again. Cumans with cheap military buildings and at the sametime have 2 TCs in feudal is just unfair and very hard to punish them with this. Pls at least remove the archery range discount from them.
* Teuuuuuuuutons: With all due respect, the farm discount may need a nerf, and honestly I don't like the free melee armour for stable units, maybe make it a UT or somthing, if you are a cav civ or infantry civ with bad CA or Xbows, you just literally resign vs Teutons.
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Civs that need some buffs and help or just a small changes:
* Saracens: A great civ that did very well in KOTD, but for the sake of God just pls reduce the Mameluke gold cost. Make it 70 instead of 85. Also give their CA or light cav a bonus since it fits their identity. Also their imp UT is so bad and usless 99% of the time.
* Celts: Can we pls get a bloodline for them at least or a plate barding armour? Also pls get back their dark age infantry speed bonus.
* Burmese: The UU should be a little bit cheaper and also faster, and also both of their UTs need a change.
* Persians: Both of their UTs need a change. Maybe give them UT that make their knight line regenrate hp or help their CA?
* What I said here in this topic may not reflect the opinion of the majority, but we open the door for discussion and exchange of views. If you disagree with us, express your opinion with respect.
Best Regards
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