I want to point right from the start that this is my own oppinion about things I will say as an individual that is part of the AoC community and how I see them and after all the latest posts made public by Taff , I felt to share my POV.
Those guidelines were private and I don’t agree with them , it’s basically why I didn’t go back to stream in Voobly again , but let me start.
Looking back to the point when Voobly started to build the team to help them spread the word about AoC to make it popular again and the community to grow , it makes me sad to see how things evolved with the streaming part of their team. In the begining the mentality was to make it popular by any means , no rules or guidelines that I knew about it, they were contacting the popular players (not only) or the guys that were streaming back then to bring them in their promoter team so people could find out about Voobly team , which was I guess the right thing to do as you can see it in real life too , companies contacting popular singers/actors/athletes to advertise for them.
From a given point back in time tho they started to restrict more and more the access to the tournaments , to the recorded games even and this is wrong. It was wrong when I was part of the team and it is wrong now as they keep adding the so called guidelines.
Voobly as a gaming platform is something truly amazing , THIS is something that helped massive AoC community and this is the way to go to , make people trying this game for the first time or coming back to play it by offering higher and higher quality and experience with gameplay , great support , great patches/mods and great upgrades that we could only dream about 10 years ago when Microsoft shut down their support for this game.
The streaming team tho is different story. Taff keep saying that Voobly = AoC community , wrong , we are all AoC community no matter how good or bad you think someone (or more) or a group is/are. Another thing is when you point out people are wrong just because they don’t agree with you , share your views and thoughts , you sound like ONLY you hold the absolute truth , you’re NEVER wrong , you ALWAYS know more than all the others and you NEVER point out that YOU might do something wrong , damn did I just describe GOD ? Shame on me !
We all are talking and behaving based on personal tastes , preferences and so on , nobody holds the absolute truth and thus everything is just relative to each of us. If something is good for you doesn’t mean is good for me or others as well and vice-versa. Please stop thinking that EVERYTHING you say is ALWAYS right and everybody should take it accordingly , yes it is right for you and your followers not for ALL community.
If Voobly really want to help community grow they should listen to it and sometimes even try their suggestions and see how it goes, As an exercise for this for example , let free access to the rest of 1vs1 Invitational and see how it goes. I am pretty sure that Voobly’s 300 viewers plus ZE’s 500+ viewers plus Memb’s 500+ viewers plus other streamer’s channels that can bring more and more viewers will help the community grow , not forcing ALL the community to watch the live events only in 1 channel either they like it or not ; start to build walls and you’ll constantly have to build more and more and by doing so , instead of blending in the community along with all the others , no matter that you share or not their oppinions you will sepparate from it and the gap will increase more and more.
Another bad example for Voobly trying to own and restrict acces to tournaments was few days ago when T90 chose to stream live Viper vs Lojza first Bo7 instead of streaming live Voobly’s tournament games when ONLY Voobly members had acces and could do it for the community even tho Nelson was also there , it’s np he chose to stream that live in his private channel , it was his preference , but like I said , he was available to do the Arabia live for Voobly and he didn’t , only that after Voobly to say they will stream the recs for that event ? Really ? MoA3 was already with 4-5 streamers while none for Voobly’s! Why you guys didn’t do the exact reverse sequence , stream live Voobly’s event and please the viewers and after , stream the recs which were already covered live by more than 1 channel , if you care so much for the community. Point is , if that was free access I am sure that someone could stream those games live as well and please everybody because most of people can watch more than 1 channel at the same time (multitwitch for example) instead of just licking the cherry on top of the cake. So big coincidence to see so many streamers interested in MoA3 later stages but during it , in the first stages only 1 man streaming and covering 100%.
Some of you in the Voobly team keep saying it’s an “army” that is working to ensure good organization of the events to cover all the aspects , in that case maybe you should contact swissboyy , who mostly by himslef manage to take care of this MoA3 tournament that ran flawlesly , huge success and he didn’t need an “army” to do so. I’m not saying that is something very easy to do or is a piece of cake but look in his topic to see his work , recs posted , links to VOD’s , interviews , prediction , schedule , everything , only 1 MAN !
Another example is Poisn’s Nomadness , huge success tournament running flawlesly and again he didn’t needed an “army” to do so , of course at the end of tournament again more streams which is great but sadly in the first stages only 1 man streaming 100%. Let’s also not forget how big fuss Voobly team members did when Poisn initially announced only Memb’s channel for the stream only after seeing the reaction for the AoC community to make it free acces , open to all channels/streamers , which was the right thing to do.
Taff , stop thinking you’re superior and step down from the pedestal yourself climbed on. Facts speak for themselves , a good work or a good deed replaces 1 million endless words , more facts and less words is always better. You found out about the problem I had with my PC from Memb , what have you done ? Asking me if I need something ,but doing nothing , in these situations you either do cause you feel so or don’t ; who doesn’t need help ? What’s the point in asking somebody if he needs help when he has problems , obviously he does ! Who doesn’t need money ? It’s not a shame, I’m not begging and not stealing. Now I’m not saying you should’ve done something only pointing out what you felt to do and is fine , sometimes overthinking and doing nothing is not the best way , a helping hand is always appreciated and the one to send me something back then to help without asking was Memb.
Taff say Voobly is community stream , but we the others are what ? Mercenaries , pirates , robbers , rebels ? We all do this for the community and everybody can start it if they feel so. You don’t say it in words but you make it sound and feel like the private channels are so bad , why ? Cause of donations ?
Does that makes me a bad person or automatically exclude me from the AoC community cause you suggest so ?
You also have that in your channel , everything is free and none has to pay a dime to open the stream and watch it , the donations are just more support showed from some viewers that can afford it , it’s nothing like a demand or so .
In Voobly you have the premium memberships which is somehow like donations , people that appreciate the high quality and want some extra and can afford , buy those premiums , they are not mandatory , so please stop suggesting that private channels are bad just because of that.
As a big player in the community tho , Voobly should try to find ways to bring and work together with as many people that can do something to help the community grow , like they did last night bringing ZE to Voobly’s channel as co caster and finally after long time they felt the sweet 1000+ viewers again , not to sepparate from them like they actually do in reality and the hard part to understand is why Voobly is so angry and restrictive over a game , over something that they say is free completely , makes no sense. This level of frustration and angry usually is when women or money are involved.
When me and Memb were in the team , not once was mentioned about him not allowed to upload games in his YT channel , even more before the big mess Memb asked Taff it it’s ok to upload those in his YT channel and Taff said it’s ok , mostly the ones he was either streaming or co casting so he was working for them and let’s not forget that he uploads to YT since 2014 , so his followers there knows that he does it everytime he streams , they find new content on a daily basis and of course is highly appreciated; now you want to stop it all of a sudden cause it doesn’t suit you anymore , you shoud’ve stopped Memb to upload Voobly content right from the first not after 2 years (it is similar to the story of husband telling wife is she doesn’t cook him dinner he will throw the cat out of the window and wife replies , you should have done this 10 years ago).
So it wasn’t a problem untill his channel became successfull and big enough to see him as a competiton for Voobly, not by him but by Voobly .
Again is sad for me to see this mentality from Voobly as whoever is not with them, not agrees with them , is against them.
So Taff started to say that that is Voobly content , it belongs only to Voobly YT channel yada yada yada , when in fact Memb was/is doing a favor not only to Voobly as a platform because he mention and link to it but also to AoC offering more exposure to the game via his YT channel.
This is also the case with ZE’s channels with even bigger audience than both Voobly’s and Memb’s . So what’s wrong with with it ? The fact that ZE and Memb has videos from games played in tournaments under Voobly logo stops Voobly to have the content in 1 place ? Voobly already has it there but what’s wrong with the content being exposed in 1 , 2 or more channels ? The more the better for AOC as a whole . What’s wrong with ZE’s or Memb’s channel being more popular than Voobly’s ?
It doesn’t hurt for AoC , it only hurts probably some ego’s.
Another thing that made me stop going back to stream for Voobly , the new guidelines. In the past I remember before Memb got his fiber optic connection and he wanted to stream some important games Taff and Gennette ALWAYS were saying that they prefer me to stream it cause stable connection , no worries and they were thinking about offering this to viewers instead of some possible surprise drops , so they were thinking about the viewers to have a minimum quality stream (by this I don’t mean I was above others cause it’s not the case , I am a terrible caster with less knowledge than others but could offer stability and some entertainment in the stream appreciated by some and disliked by some others).
But after we left Taff changed that with the new guidelines and suggesting that whoever wants to stream something , go for it cause we’re all the same. We’re not the same and again I am not saying in the way that I am superior to others (one more time , I am a terrible caster) but is a fact that I streamed for Voobly for more than 2 years arranging my whole life around AoC and Voobly, also Memb with family married and with 1 little girl , was doing big efforts , sometimes skipping something he has to do with family just to be with me either streaming or cocasting , to arrange his life as well and make all the streams we did, and we didn´t ask for it , was Taff mostly who wanted us to do it, which was fine, but then after the mess with Maldives , what we got was that he said straight to us , ok you and Memb now are the same as the new comers and that I think is somewhat disrespectfull for all the work we did for Voobly to provide the shows for the community (this one the community can judge , facts should speak more than words).
I don’t need any medal or reward for it , I did it cause I love the game , I had the tools and time for it ; but don’t tell me we are all the same cause we all have different level of game knowledge , entertainment , video/audio quality, the ability to follow the important things happening in the game , so how can you let a total newcomer take an important event , you gotta have some criteria that you assign streamers according to how important an event is. Do you see in football any rookie shooting the penalty in an important game ? Never! Only those with experience. Same here , again no disrespect to anyone but you can’t have a random guy stream the grand final for 1vs1 Invitational , if you do that it means you don’t care about your viewers to offer the best and affordable quality possible (again by quality I mean all included mentioned before , video/audio , knowledge , entertainment etc).
No one is better than other one in absolute terms , we offer different levels of show based on quality, it’s viewers preference and none of us will ever have a 100% audience to love it , that’s why try to offer them options to choose ; the 10/30/50% of the viewers that might not enjoy to watch the stream in 1 channel can go to others that they like more ; force them in 1 place is the wrong way to do things , as it was/is also wrong to think that if you please 60/70% of the audience is fine ; if you care enough you find ways to offer the rest of 30/40% chance to enjoy it also by giving them more options and obviously increasing the total number of viewers enjoying the show.
http://prntscr.com/a6dzps
Check it and see how it is , if it was only in 1 channel would’ve enjoyed 800-900 viewers on average , give or take , but being open like this , close to 2000 viewers enjoyed the show in their prefered channel. Who won ? Definitely AoC and the community !
At the end of the day Voobly will do whetever they think is good for them , not ALL community , but I hope they will change their mind , even like I said earlier , for a test to see how it goes, try it once.
Obviously I expect some furious replies from some people to twist the context, the facts , to make them look different , to make me look completely wrong , etc.
I am not a native english speaker so I can’t ever compete with one , if others would have to speak my language , would be so easy for me to give 10 different meanings to some words and facts. But it’s np , it is expected since will be hard to digest for some. Who am I ? Just a random guy from the AoC community that loves this game.
In the end I wanna say excuse my poor english and the eventual grammar mistakes. I will keep streaming in my channel , whoever likes it will be there , the ones that don’t they have other options , no hard feelings towards anyone , freedom of choice is awesome. Again this is my own point of view , the way I see things from my perspective.
Thanks to all that appreciate and likes my style and also thanks to those that dislike it cause without them we wouldn’t have diversity. Have fun everybody and in the end remember that we all love this game and share the passion for it in our own ways that sometimes are different one from another but serve the same purpose, AoC.
PS. This belongs here in PS, please Taff remove whatever upgrade I have still left for my account in voobly , I asked you in voobly messenger , I asked you in skype and still didn’t happend , I hope after this one here it will finally happen , I am just another simple user , thank you.
Those guidelines were private and I don’t agree with them , it’s basically why I didn’t go back to stream in Voobly again , but let me start.
Looking back to the point when Voobly started to build the team to help them spread the word about AoC to make it popular again and the community to grow , it makes me sad to see how things evolved with the streaming part of their team. In the begining the mentality was to make it popular by any means , no rules or guidelines that I knew about it, they were contacting the popular players (not only) or the guys that were streaming back then to bring them in their promoter team so people could find out about Voobly team , which was I guess the right thing to do as you can see it in real life too , companies contacting popular singers/actors/athletes to advertise for them.
From a given point back in time tho they started to restrict more and more the access to the tournaments , to the recorded games even and this is wrong. It was wrong when I was part of the team and it is wrong now as they keep adding the so called guidelines.
Voobly as a gaming platform is something truly amazing , THIS is something that helped massive AoC community and this is the way to go to , make people trying this game for the first time or coming back to play it by offering higher and higher quality and experience with gameplay , great support , great patches/mods and great upgrades that we could only dream about 10 years ago when Microsoft shut down their support for this game.
The streaming team tho is different story. Taff keep saying that Voobly = AoC community , wrong , we are all AoC community no matter how good or bad you think someone (or more) or a group is/are. Another thing is when you point out people are wrong just because they don’t agree with you , share your views and thoughts , you sound like ONLY you hold the absolute truth , you’re NEVER wrong , you ALWAYS know more than all the others and you NEVER point out that YOU might do something wrong , damn did I just describe GOD ? Shame on me !
We all are talking and behaving based on personal tastes , preferences and so on , nobody holds the absolute truth and thus everything is just relative to each of us. If something is good for you doesn’t mean is good for me or others as well and vice-versa. Please stop thinking that EVERYTHING you say is ALWAYS right and everybody should take it accordingly , yes it is right for you and your followers not for ALL community.
If Voobly really want to help community grow they should listen to it and sometimes even try their suggestions and see how it goes, As an exercise for this for example , let free access to the rest of 1vs1 Invitational and see how it goes. I am pretty sure that Voobly’s 300 viewers plus ZE’s 500+ viewers plus Memb’s 500+ viewers plus other streamer’s channels that can bring more and more viewers will help the community grow , not forcing ALL the community to watch the live events only in 1 channel either they like it or not ; start to build walls and you’ll constantly have to build more and more and by doing so , instead of blending in the community along with all the others , no matter that you share or not their oppinions you will sepparate from it and the gap will increase more and more.
Another bad example for Voobly trying to own and restrict acces to tournaments was few days ago when T90 chose to stream live Viper vs Lojza first Bo7 instead of streaming live Voobly’s tournament games when ONLY Voobly members had acces and could do it for the community even tho Nelson was also there , it’s np he chose to stream that live in his private channel , it was his preference , but like I said , he was available to do the Arabia live for Voobly and he didn’t , only that after Voobly to say they will stream the recs for that event ? Really ? MoA3 was already with 4-5 streamers while none for Voobly’s! Why you guys didn’t do the exact reverse sequence , stream live Voobly’s event and please the viewers and after , stream the recs which were already covered live by more than 1 channel , if you care so much for the community. Point is , if that was free access I am sure that someone could stream those games live as well and please everybody because most of people can watch more than 1 channel at the same time (multitwitch for example) instead of just licking the cherry on top of the cake. So big coincidence to see so many streamers interested in MoA3 later stages but during it , in the first stages only 1 man streaming and covering 100%.
Some of you in the Voobly team keep saying it’s an “army” that is working to ensure good organization of the events to cover all the aspects , in that case maybe you should contact swissboyy , who mostly by himslef manage to take care of this MoA3 tournament that ran flawlesly , huge success and he didn’t need an “army” to do so. I’m not saying that is something very easy to do or is a piece of cake but look in his topic to see his work , recs posted , links to VOD’s , interviews , prediction , schedule , everything , only 1 MAN !
Another example is Poisn’s Nomadness , huge success tournament running flawlesly and again he didn’t needed an “army” to do so , of course at the end of tournament again more streams which is great but sadly in the first stages only 1 man streaming 100%. Let’s also not forget how big fuss Voobly team members did when Poisn initially announced only Memb’s channel for the stream only after seeing the reaction for the AoC community to make it free acces , open to all channels/streamers , which was the right thing to do.
Taff , stop thinking you’re superior and step down from the pedestal yourself climbed on. Facts speak for themselves , a good work or a good deed replaces 1 million endless words , more facts and less words is always better. You found out about the problem I had with my PC from Memb , what have you done ? Asking me if I need something ,but doing nothing , in these situations you either do cause you feel so or don’t ; who doesn’t need help ? What’s the point in asking somebody if he needs help when he has problems , obviously he does ! Who doesn’t need money ? It’s not a shame, I’m not begging and not stealing. Now I’m not saying you should’ve done something only pointing out what you felt to do and is fine , sometimes overthinking and doing nothing is not the best way , a helping hand is always appreciated and the one to send me something back then to help without asking was Memb.
Taff say Voobly is community stream , but we the others are what ? Mercenaries , pirates , robbers , rebels ? We all do this for the community and everybody can start it if they feel so. You don’t say it in words but you make it sound and feel like the private channels are so bad , why ? Cause of donations ?
Does that makes me a bad person or automatically exclude me from the AoC community cause you suggest so ?
You also have that in your channel , everything is free and none has to pay a dime to open the stream and watch it , the donations are just more support showed from some viewers that can afford it , it’s nothing like a demand or so .
In Voobly you have the premium memberships which is somehow like donations , people that appreciate the high quality and want some extra and can afford , buy those premiums , they are not mandatory , so please stop suggesting that private channels are bad just because of that.
As a big player in the community tho , Voobly should try to find ways to bring and work together with as many people that can do something to help the community grow , like they did last night bringing ZE to Voobly’s channel as co caster and finally after long time they felt the sweet 1000+ viewers again , not to sepparate from them like they actually do in reality and the hard part to understand is why Voobly is so angry and restrictive over a game , over something that they say is free completely , makes no sense. This level of frustration and angry usually is when women or money are involved.
When me and Memb were in the team , not once was mentioned about him not allowed to upload games in his YT channel , even more before the big mess Memb asked Taff it it’s ok to upload those in his YT channel and Taff said it’s ok , mostly the ones he was either streaming or co casting so he was working for them and let’s not forget that he uploads to YT since 2014 , so his followers there knows that he does it everytime he streams , they find new content on a daily basis and of course is highly appreciated; now you want to stop it all of a sudden cause it doesn’t suit you anymore , you shoud’ve stopped Memb to upload Voobly content right from the first not after 2 years (it is similar to the story of husband telling wife is she doesn’t cook him dinner he will throw the cat out of the window and wife replies , you should have done this 10 years ago).
So it wasn’t a problem untill his channel became successfull and big enough to see him as a competiton for Voobly, not by him but by Voobly .
Again is sad for me to see this mentality from Voobly as whoever is not with them, not agrees with them , is against them.
So Taff started to say that that is Voobly content , it belongs only to Voobly YT channel yada yada yada , when in fact Memb was/is doing a favor not only to Voobly as a platform because he mention and link to it but also to AoC offering more exposure to the game via his YT channel.
This is also the case with ZE’s channels with even bigger audience than both Voobly’s and Memb’s . So what’s wrong with with it ? The fact that ZE and Memb has videos from games played in tournaments under Voobly logo stops Voobly to have the content in 1 place ? Voobly already has it there but what’s wrong with the content being exposed in 1 , 2 or more channels ? The more the better for AOC as a whole . What’s wrong with ZE’s or Memb’s channel being more popular than Voobly’s ?
It doesn’t hurt for AoC , it only hurts probably some ego’s.
Another thing that made me stop going back to stream for Voobly , the new guidelines. In the past I remember before Memb got his fiber optic connection and he wanted to stream some important games Taff and Gennette ALWAYS were saying that they prefer me to stream it cause stable connection , no worries and they were thinking about offering this to viewers instead of some possible surprise drops , so they were thinking about the viewers to have a minimum quality stream (by this I don’t mean I was above others cause it’s not the case , I am a terrible caster with less knowledge than others but could offer stability and some entertainment in the stream appreciated by some and disliked by some others).
But after we left Taff changed that with the new guidelines and suggesting that whoever wants to stream something , go for it cause we’re all the same. We’re not the same and again I am not saying in the way that I am superior to others (one more time , I am a terrible caster) but is a fact that I streamed for Voobly for more than 2 years arranging my whole life around AoC and Voobly, also Memb with family married and with 1 little girl , was doing big efforts , sometimes skipping something he has to do with family just to be with me either streaming or cocasting , to arrange his life as well and make all the streams we did, and we didn´t ask for it , was Taff mostly who wanted us to do it, which was fine, but then after the mess with Maldives , what we got was that he said straight to us , ok you and Memb now are the same as the new comers and that I think is somewhat disrespectfull for all the work we did for Voobly to provide the shows for the community (this one the community can judge , facts should speak more than words).
I don’t need any medal or reward for it , I did it cause I love the game , I had the tools and time for it ; but don’t tell me we are all the same cause we all have different level of game knowledge , entertainment , video/audio quality, the ability to follow the important things happening in the game , so how can you let a total newcomer take an important event , you gotta have some criteria that you assign streamers according to how important an event is. Do you see in football any rookie shooting the penalty in an important game ? Never! Only those with experience. Same here , again no disrespect to anyone but you can’t have a random guy stream the grand final for 1vs1 Invitational , if you do that it means you don’t care about your viewers to offer the best and affordable quality possible (again by quality I mean all included mentioned before , video/audio , knowledge , entertainment etc).
No one is better than other one in absolute terms , we offer different levels of show based on quality, it’s viewers preference and none of us will ever have a 100% audience to love it , that’s why try to offer them options to choose ; the 10/30/50% of the viewers that might not enjoy to watch the stream in 1 channel can go to others that they like more ; force them in 1 place is the wrong way to do things , as it was/is also wrong to think that if you please 60/70% of the audience is fine ; if you care enough you find ways to offer the rest of 30/40% chance to enjoy it also by giving them more options and obviously increasing the total number of viewers enjoying the show.
http://prntscr.com/a6dzps
Check it and see how it is , if it was only in 1 channel would’ve enjoyed 800-900 viewers on average , give or take , but being open like this , close to 2000 viewers enjoyed the show in their prefered channel. Who won ? Definitely AoC and the community !
At the end of the day Voobly will do whetever they think is good for them , not ALL community , but I hope they will change their mind , even like I said earlier , for a test to see how it goes, try it once.
Obviously I expect some furious replies from some people to twist the context, the facts , to make them look different , to make me look completely wrong , etc.
I am not a native english speaker so I can’t ever compete with one , if others would have to speak my language , would be so easy for me to give 10 different meanings to some words and facts. But it’s np , it is expected since will be hard to digest for some. Who am I ? Just a random guy from the AoC community that loves this game.
In the end I wanna say excuse my poor english and the eventual grammar mistakes. I will keep streaming in my channel , whoever likes it will be there , the ones that don’t they have other options , no hard feelings towards anyone , freedom of choice is awesome. Again this is my own point of view , the way I see things from my perspective.
Thanks to all that appreciate and likes my style and also thanks to those that dislike it cause without them we wouldn’t have diversity. Have fun everybody and in the end remember that we all love this game and share the passion for it in our own ways that sometimes are different one from another but serve the same purpose, AoC.
PS. This belongs here in PS, please Taff remove whatever upgrade I have still left for my account in voobly , I asked you in voobly messenger , I asked you in skype and still didn’t happend , I hope after this one here it will finally happen , I am just another simple user , thank you.