Another one I'm mostly on board with but not fully convinced is which of Jordan/Ganji is Pachacuti/Guiscard.
Daut beating Sebastian and Viper beating Lierrey.Daut beating viper 4-2 today, we will be there.
Miguel in HC1, TheMax in HC2, Dogao in HC3, Jordan in HC4, ACCM in HC5.ACCM being Gajah Mada would be at least as epic as TheMax in HC2 and Dogao in HC3.
I am definitely more ready to believe Jan Zizka is Hearttt rather than Sitaux.Sitaux is Jadwiga and Heart is Jan Zizka
The way sitaux played Japanese in his qualifier vs Sobek on Cross is carbon copy of how Jadwiga played Japanese on Evac. French Drush into spear skirm + water, and then double stable kt transition after winning water. It is 100% Sitaux, this is the exact moment I am sold that it has to has to be him. People who were thinking Barles earlier for Jadwiga really need to consider the kind of player styles as a whole rather than the execution. Jadwiga is clearly a standard open/hybrid map player. Barles on the other is a BF player who prefers closed maps, and it is evident from Pachacuti (And Roberts) drafts, so these two have to be Barles and Ganji
Heart is Jan, just from the way I could feel the anxiety and APM. It was a very caffeinated Heart indeed 11. Lots of focus on micro, controlling almost every single unit.
Did not see that, but to me it really is Hearttt Jadwiga.Daisy, we need to work on finding Hearttt and Sitaux. They are both best placed as Jan Zizka, and I can't find really good other contenders for either of them. And this afternoon, it will be difficult to separate them with their draft because they are quite similar. Differences are : Heartt picked Byz a lot in qualifiers, Sitaux never, and banned it when he could. Sitaux also really hates closed maps, more than Heartt I believe.
Any other drafting clues to put them apart ?
Daisy, we need to work on finding Hearttt and Sitaux. Their are both best placed as Jan Zizka, and I can't find really good other contenders for either of them.
Did not see that, but to me it really is Hearttt Jadwiga.
More or less by default, but first farm matches at least.
Judging based on "this is a carbon copy of a previous game and I'll trust that more than the Dark Age Eco" is what costed me my only mistake in HC4.
The Malians Arabia game of *don't remember the hero names the guy that lost to Liereyy anyway* was a carbon copy of Dogao's Malian game on KotD vs MbL Dark Age was Nicov's, I forced Dogao but it was indeed Nicov. Still not over it.
Jan has Sitaux houses, Jadwiga had Hearttt's farms, that's enough for me really. I could go into greater details based on practice partners as well.
I love that the discussions continue but to me this is pretty much set in stone at this point.
I only have one thing to check tonight and I'll be very confident in the 16 picks. Trust your house analysis and farm analysis, anyway. If you trust this it confirms ACCM, Sitaux, Hearttt, Vinch and then Yo, Liereyy, Sebastian and TaToH all fall into place in obvious positions.
Just still haven't done/seen the analysis on Barles/Ganji (and thus indirectly confirming Jordan)
I'll do like a 20 page essay at one point tomorrow I think 11
So when I said this 3 days ago and that tato was out you challenged my arguments like someone who is trying to humiliate the other and now a mystic revelation from quarterfinals, tatoh's X and nico (even if you said to not take proplayer's guesses seriously as aoeZ usually have better ones XD) is leading you to the perfect guess! at least 14!!!!There are plenty of other clues.
Gajah is visibly stubborn, which costed him the Arabia game, and was visible in Mudflow, but also with the demo use, got a bit ridiculous when it was only getting one vill. We were wondering if it was not too much even for TaToH. Being stubborn in the good and the bad is very ACCM.
Townbell is ACCM
Farms are ACCM
Nicov is convinced this is ACCM from first set, and I have to assume this is because he saw ACCM do a similar strat in practice vs him even if he can't say it. So to us this screamed TaToH, but if to him this screams ACCM he probably has seen something.
As for TaToH, this is mostly based on draft. If we now consider Gajah to not be GL anymore this becomes very clear that Hera-Vasco, DauT-Stephen and Viper-Khosrau all drafted Koreans for Cup, like Gregory. Stephen-DauT shares two extra traits with Gregory, the Goths pick on Evac, and the Liths pick on Hidden Forts.
And yes add to that the "gg wp, gl next"
Gameplay was off, but someone was off this first round anyway as we have unexplained gaps. Bad day, sick? Drafts and chat don't change if you're unwell.
It's not such detailed analysis, I'm also trying to work IRL and am sleep deprived at this point of the week 11I'm all about separating Heartt and Sitaux this afternoon. Can you elaborate on Hearttt farms ? Also what's your research on Heartt's houses placement ? That would be a great tell. If Jan picks Byzantines early in draft it will be a great tell also. Can't wait for your essay!
All agree that Hearrtt & Sitaux can only be Jadwiga or Jan Zizka at this point of the research? i don't see other options but i'm happy to hear other theories.
Issue is you did not give a single argument besides argument of authority when you came. It was just "I'm sure of..." and "Nicov said it", no draft analysis and no actual proof. And you claimed it was Yo as Gajah right?So when I said this 3 days ago and that tato was out you challenged my arguments like someone who is trying to humiliate the other and now a mystic revelation from quarterfinals, tatoh's X and nico (even if you said to not take proplayer's guesses seriously as aoeZ usually have better ones XD) is leading you to the perfect guess! at least 14!!!!
Stay humble but not really, just flip stylishly whenever wrong and 16/16 notice me AoeZ
Not the person you're quoting but I think the new ACCM-Tatoh conclusion was based on evidence from farm placement, strats, and town bell stuff which wasn't necessarily clear from your early post and just the first set. You called it first though, so if it ends up being true then good jobI said this 3 days ago and that tato was out
It's not such detailed analysis, I'm also trying to work IRL and am sleep deprived at this point of the week 11
For houses I just trusted your analysis that Sitaux houses matched Jan and not Jadwiga, and for farms I trusted Paradox who said Jadwiga had Hearttt first farm.
This seems to fit together, we will have confirmation later.
But also the fact that Sitaux-Jan shares starts with ACCM-Gajah makes sense (Bay approach with Bengalis completely new).
And based on the High Tides approach of Jan and Alfred they probably shared the same High Tides vision, which is very unique so far. This and the colour game means they recognized each other and trained together, imo.
I can see both Hearttt and Sitaux having trained with Fox to be fair, but Sitaux a bit more likely as Fox would be his biggest western connection.
Issue is you did not give a single argument besides argument of authority when you came. It was just "I'm sure of..." and "Nicov said it", no draft analysis and no actual proof. And you claimed it was Yo as Gajah right?
Since then we've had more GL draft, second townbell and a second set where there were way less TaToH vibes for Gajah.
"Stay umble" exactly means that: don't trust your instincts, don't tunnelvision, don't blindly believe anything, be ready to reconsider anything any time if there are actual proofs. Not bold claims.
It doesn't "feel" right to me and I haven't done deep dives and am nowhere near good enough to judge this but if I really believe some of the evidence here, then I guess it is what it is and Gajah is ACCM.Wait so now we believe Gaja is ACCM?! Like definitively?
I don't think it's a newcomer issue really. I had not posted here in 2 years before this thread, and for instance I think Prokofiev created an account for this thread specifically.you kidding right? at least 4 posts saying there was no comeback from the argument of tato and daut sharing draft.
Ok got it, newcomer says it = bold claim
Now everybody is saying it as it's quite obvious 2 days later = actual proofs, I'll have to reconsider not to lose credibility and keep being a smartass with everybody else while saying I stay umble .
It's ok, just got a little annoyed with how you treat new users and had to answer, not really looking for an argument here, I'll rather just say "Gj daisy you are the Sherlock Holmes of AoeZ, haven't seen anybody as smart as you for a long time, maybe try applying for national intelligence departments or smthng like that"
For what it's worth I'm a new user too and had like 2 posts on this forum before this thread. I didn't get the feel that anyone was being condescending just because I was new. I think in general, Aoezone tends to have people harsher with their wording and challenging each others' views more than some other places. I wonder if that's why people think it is toxic (which to be fair it is sometimes). The way I look at it is that having your view challenged is great because it pushes one to gather more concrete evidence and we as a community benefit from it.It's ok, just got a little annoyed with how you treat new users
There's no hivemind here, and sometimes you have to go against the consensus if you want 16/16.Wait so now we believe Gaja is ACCM?! Like definitively?