Hello _XD_xiaofan, I must apologize as I was away on an important business trip for the week and I couldn't reply earlier. I know it's late, but if you agree we can play on any day and hour you suggest of the remaining time and I'll try my best to be there. Deadline is on Sunday so I hope we can take the match. What about Sunday at 09:00 GMT?
Unless of course, this is forbidden by the admin and the AW is a must before the deadline is met. Thank you in advance regardless.
I was online most of the saturday and sunday, until very late, waiting for _XD_xiaofan to maybe show and ask him to play the games. He didn't, and it doesn't surprise me he didn't show, because he was given the AW.
I would like to ask, why was the AW given before the round is over? This has not happened in any tournament that I know before this, AW and AW requests are always granted when the round is over. It was my fault that I didn't post on the schedulle earlier, I tried to do it on wednesday when I saw the topic but my post didn't come up as I wrote it quickly on my smartphone when I was at the airport. However, I posted on friday afternoon in my city, (was saturday early on GMT) and the round was not over. But by then I was given the AL, even when other players were still schedulling. I checked the rules, and there is no rule that states that I must post schedulling before saturday. I didn't intend to avoid to schedulle or play, it was quite the opposite. If anything, an Admin Time that benefits _XD_xiaofan should have been given on Sunday.
My point is that the AL should not be given to anyone before the round is over because of schedulling issues, as always had occurred. If you didn't posted that I lost by admin decision, maybe we could try and schedulle something for the remaining time. If _XD_xiaofan hadn't the chance to play on saturday, sunday or even early monday, the AW is fair to be given to him because I replied late. But any chance that I had to schedulle was lost because of the AW, as he had the chance to choose either to play me or get the AW, even if he had the opportunity and time to play. What if I met him on Voobly on Sunday? I cannot play him anymore because you stated the AW on saturday? Why didn't the admin stated an AT that benefits _XD_xiaofan, and if I didn't show
I rarely post here, as I see forum discussion as very unpleasant, but I must say that I am upset by that. I am not because I cannot participate anymore in the tournament, as I will face better players onwards and I cannot expect to get a high ranking, however I wanted to play for just for the sake of fun. I am upset because the AW that was posted could have affected any chance that I had to play on the remaining time. In other tournaments, AW is always the last resort, as playing the games must be the priority. I intended to do so, but couldn't .
Anyway, I don't blame my opponent, and I am thankful for the tournament and your volunteer work as an admin. However, from my perspective you are lacking some experience in this field, so I would like to request that, if you are going to be so strict with the rules and show no flexibility, then at least make the rules perfectly clear, without any ambiguity.
Hi Dark Knight,
I feel as though I should clarify why the AW was given here.
The rules state that if there is no agreement on the time at which the games should be played by Thursday 23.59 GMT the staff will attempt to get the games scheduled on time. The rules also state that any extra time required for scheduling must be requested by Friday of the current week.
As you made no posts and did not let anybody know beforehand that you would be away the decision for the AW was made.
I would like to point out that I did not make the final decision, nor did I write the rules but you may refer to rule 2 and 7 to verify what I wrote above. Leaving it until the last day of scheduling is irresponsible and unfair to your opponent to keep them waiting all week in the hope that they might find some free time in the final hours of the week.
I know that some admin decisions so far this tournament have been frowned upon but decisions have to be made and rules have to be followed, the priority here is to keep the tournament running with as few delays as possible and unfortunately some decisions are made that simply can not satisfy everybody involved.
So if I met my opponent and played the games today (before the round is over), the result would be invalid because the AW was given beforehand? That is my complain, to give me Admin Loss almost 2 days before the round is over, which has affected any chance of schedulling or playing in the remaining day.
I checked out the rules you point out. I didn't see the staff attempting to schedule an Admin Time on sunday (a time that benefit _XD_xiaofan of course, because he posted earlier). I just was given an AL without chances to play before the round finished. And that is not specified in the rules.
The one who actually made an effort in scheduling shouldn't have to show up for an Admin Time on Sunday when the opponent hasn't replied at all in order to get his win. When the other part doesn't post by Saturday, his opponent might have made plans for the weekend or maybe he was only able to play during weekdays? He does not know when you will suddenly become available to play the match. The whole part of scheduling is communication all the way from the start to agree on a scheduled time to meet and play each other in the current week. You can't show up 1-2 days before the round ends and expect the other guy to be able to play the games.
We're sorry that this is the result of the match, we would have loved to see you play this tournament. I hope you understand our reasons for the decision.
I still don't understand why you gave him the AW before the round is over and supress any chance to play on the remaining time.
If he has plans for the weekend or is only able to play during weekdays, and made the effort of schedulling earlier, he has preference over the time that can be played. After I suggested the time, if he couldn't show up on the weekend, it is fair to give him the AW due to the previous reasons.
But what is not fair, is that he didn't say anything and you go and give him the AW, even if it is not stated if the rules to do so, because neither the staff or me can know that he will be unable to play. That's why you should grant AWs after round is over, not before.
I ask again due to not getting response: if I met my opponent and played the games today (before the round is over), the result would be invalid because the AW was given beforehand?
Award wins should never be given before the end time for the round, unless the opponent forfeits. You guys are showing an utter lack of professionalism, which is sad because I'm sure you're trying your best to do a good job.
Untill now I didn't think admins took a bad decision (even though in dziam / edie i would have prefered a replay but still) but in this very case this is simply wrong.
You just can NOT disqualify someone BEFORE the final time stated in the rules.
This is an ABSOLUTE MISTAKE and digustingly UNPROFESSIONAL.
To people that decided to grant xiaofan the AW :
Could you people please tell me how you would feel if your boss was telling you "You're fired, you were told to send this file for friday, it's wednesday and we still haven't heard anything from you."
Yo c'mon man if there's any situation that calls for an admin to admit fault it's here. As much as I thought the Edie dziam debockle was crap, at least there was some minuscule remnant of sense to it (seeding issues), although let me be clear- that was just not the right call IMO but anyway:
Here we have a situation where an admin clearly violated the rules and isn't admitting any fault. As vn pointed out, the protocol for requesting an admin win is to try to schedule and play the games within the specified time period, and if not then you request an admin win after in the admin request thread (SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR THIS TYPE OF THING) after the round is over. If I'm not mistaken xd didn't request an admin win (seeing as how the round isn't over yet).
Admins just totally disregarded their own rules here and I'm glad to see vn pushing for an answer. I got no personal probs w any admin here but it seems that this particular admin is just wrong.
The thing is that ITS OKAY TO BE WRONG. Nobody's asking u guys to be perfect becuz that's just impossible. What we are asking is that you admit when you're wrong, and open a dialogue ab how to fix it. IMO the community is more outraged by the lack of admission that admins may have been wrong than the actual decisions (or maybe not idk)
The correct admin response would have been to not award AW on sat and if vn wants to show up last minute to try to schedule, let him! If xd had made plans well and can't play last minute well then that's when you offer admin win to xd. This way, like vn said, the opportunity to play is still there on Sunday.
Last thing: i didn't see signups for tourney admins for cot, did I just miss it? Either way will there b any open slots for admins in war is coming?
How ab we let the admins do their thing for next tournies, but we form a players' union with union delegates to fight for the best interest of the community?
I already lost hope for these admins, just when I thought they couldn't do worse, I found this...
Come on! This is a new level... going against the rules to DQ a player, very good job.
There are certainly a number of things wrong with the administration of this tournament:
1- Players of the tournament should NOT be involved in discussions about admin decisions. The reason is very simple: conflict of interests. Even if it's not their own bracket, they can support decisions that may be applied to them in the future, so of course they would vote for their interests.
2- I am ok with going strictly by the rules... But if they are going to do this, they should at least make the rules way more clear. If a rule leaves room for ambiguity it's not fault of the players, you can't go DQing them just by that.
I remember aoczone asking for tourney admin/mod applications a while back, maybe for wcl7 and a few top players (I think feage?) getting rejected which is kind of odd
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