What did MBL say to get banned for a week?

[im the cookie]

This has been quite the read.

I just want to bring up something it may have been missed out in this thread: Cancel culture.

I agree there should be no room for homophobic/racist slurs. No matter the context. The fact that most people that use them are not in the receiving end of the insult can't grasp the true meaning of being called a certain way. I agree there has to be a line drawn somewhere in multiple places: personal life and mindset; political and social sphere.

However, some consequences of being an ass escalate way too far over some actions. I know I want people to actually think about their use of words, their actions, to be civil and respectful, but I don't know if squashing them is the answer, as it has been reported multiple times over conflicts that might get solved by just sorting it out privately and not in the public opinion's court.

7 day ban is appropriate for that slip of the tongue. I like MBL's attitude towards it: it shows willing to think about it and grow up as a person and realize his own reach to people. Mine is quite limited, and yet I stop to reflect whenever I use a word I KNOW is harmful for some people. Was it harmful to my group of friends? Probably not and that is the safest space I can mess up and reflect on why I speak the way I speak or why I think it is acceptable to say X word. People have already stated there are other insults to choose from that are not slurs and are acceptable for today's standards... for now (and I think that is the fear some people have).

In this day and age, I think it is great to see minorities empowering themselves to stand up for what they don't want to accept anymore. It is time for the "status quo" to listen up and respect their demands to be respected. If that means no use of the F-word or N-word so be it.

My 2 cents.

 

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[RobChang]

I say I want that insults and slurs and whatever can be used freely by anyone without fear of being prosecuted on it by default - as guy above me said it's the intention that matters not the word.
I believe people have right to hate eachother as long as it doesn't instigate violence, stalking, actively trying to ruin someones life. Banning things does't not make them disappear, just supresses them and then they erupt twice as strongly.

Nowadays the moment you voice any opinion you are immidietly labelled as either sjw or a racist/homophobic/bigoted scum. The radicalisation in todays world is insane. You are either with us or against us, theres no "I don't feel strongly about your cause, I just want to share my view about it" option.
And it's applied by everyone: left, right, LGBT activists, radical anti gay activists, etc.

This is insane. I want to be able to call my friend a fuc*ing faggot inside my office, in a private conversation and have a laugh about it with him, without fear that some delivery guy drinking coffee on the hallway will report me to the HR cause "he felt that my friend could feel insulted". There was such case in my former workplace and they've denied the poor bastard promotion based on that incident. XD

Just chill out, if people ask you for intervention by any means do it, if not just mind your own business.

And btw I really like that even tho we don't all agree with eachother the discussion is still clean and civil.

And the government prosecutes you when you hate someone and think what you think as long it is in private and involves noone else insulted or hurt ? I can't see the involvement of the government and its institutions here at all ?

Is the government responsible for promotions in your former workplace ? Or did the bosses just not want someone showing off some irresponsibility by treating people like that even though the specific friend didnt mind. Maybe they also dont want you to spank your friend in your office during worktimes when everyone else can hear you. Maybe the situation was not private at all. And when your behaviours lead to disruptions in the social structure of the team, then boss will worry about it yes. I mean coworkers will be confused when the boss still promotes you even though there was this issue shortly before. They will just postpone it and look at the situation later again, most probably.

When you dont like your workplace and want to work with people that dont care who they promote and pass responsibility to whoever, then go ahead and look for such a working place but dont make a politicum out of it and see the involvement of government in everywhere. It is just professionals at work. They would do the same thing when someone screams Marx quotes every noon in his office that everyone can hear you. It is no political issue at all, just manners.

Social coexistence can be difficult especially when social norms change, but that is just what freely has developped and is no govermental censorship or whatever. And people that want a political counterrevolution to reverse that development to make the people "free again" feel more than anyone else to try to suppress the political and social system. Or what is what you want to prevent your boss to mind the issue ? Should there be a law prohibiting that ? Or should there be drama around that in the same way you describe it to be right now around every decision ? Or should a boss just decide with his best knowledge and conscience ? I mean when you dont like his decisions and means to decide then maybe it is not good to stay under his leadership for longer.

I only see there an individual problem you have, I dont know how that promotes political movements because how will these movements change that from happening ? Should there be laws that intervene that hard with business decisions ? Or you wanna have a cultural change so that wont happen anymore ? Something that one can try but usually that will only be possible with detention and enforcement. And then we have the logical connection between faschists and anti-PC-people that are so fed up with it they wanna political change which is so strong people might oversee the differences in intention.

I mean you could see that you cant and dont want do anything about it, when you believe in liberalism. The Zeitgeist is what it is and when you wanna be promoted then put your feet from the office table and show interest in professionalism. And I mean you can dislike whatever you want. But when you openly talk about it, you might live with that people dont understand you properly at first glance and you need to explain why you dont like it and dont want it but you dont want to support someone that wants to politically enforce a change with whatever means. There are just contradictions that arise and need more explanation sometimes.

 

[Misqus]

That would be obviously inappropiate behavior in any workplace, are you a child? But I'm glad you posted this because your many posts in this thread weren't obviously never about whether you support "freedom of speech" or not, this was about you being afraid of ever facing consequences for using sexist, racist or homophobic language.

I don't know how did you come to this conclusion after reading my posts. I explictly stated multiple times that you should adhere to existing norms and rules and bear consequences of breaking them, no matter if you are happy with the rules or not. I'm simply complaining about said rules, not on Twitch but in general.

Also about that situation you've quoted:

Do you really believe that career of that guy Should've taken a hit because of oversensitive guy who was not even employee of that company? He was effectively eavesdropping on two guys friendly banter. Instead of 'bro' they reffered to themselves as "****", "Cu*t", etc. When noone was around. You must know guys like that.

 

[TheCapybara]

Do you really believe that career of that guy Should've taken a hit because of oversensitive guy who was not even employee of that company? He was effectively eavesdropping on two guys friendly banter. Instead of 'bro' they reffered to themselves as "****", "Cu*t", etc. When noone was around. You must know guys like that.

If your conversation can be heard by other people, it's no longer private, and therefore consideration must be taken of the appropriateness of your language.

 

[Misqus]

And the government prosecutes you when you hate someone and think what you think as long it is in private and involves noone else insulted or hurt ? I can't see the involvement of the government and its institutions here at all ?

Is the government responsible for promotions in your former workplace ? Or did the bosses just not want someone showing off some irresponsibility by treating people like that even though the specific friend didnt mind. Maybe they also dont want you to spank your friend in your office during worktimes when everyone else can hear you. Maybe the situation was not private at all. And when your behaviours lead to disruptions in the social structure of the team, then boss will worry about it yes. I mean coworkers will be confused when the boss still promotes you even though there was this issue shortly before. They will just postpone it and look at the situation later again, most probably.

When you dont like your workplace and want to work with people that dont care who they promote and pass responsibility to whoever, then go ahead and look for such a working place but dont make a politicum out of it and see the involvement of government in everywhere. It is just professionals at work. They would do the same thing when someone screams Marx quotes every noon in his office that everyone can hear you. It is no political issue at all, just manners.

Social coexistence can be difficult especially when social norms change, but that is just what freely has developped and is no govermental censorship or whatever. And people that want a political counterrevolution to reverse that development to make the people "free again" feel more than anyone else to try to suppress the political and social system. Or what is what you want to prevent your boss to mind the issue ? Should there be a law prohibiting that ? Or should there be drama around that in the same way you describe it to be right now around every decision ? Or should a boss just decide with his best knowledge and conscience ? I mean when you dont like his decisions and means to decide then maybe it is not good to stay under his leadership for longer.

I only see there an individual problem you have, I dont know how that promotes political movements because how will these movements change that from happening ? Should there be laws that intervene that hard with business decisions ? Or you wanna have a cultural change so that wont happen anymore ? Something that one can try but usually that will only be possible with detention and enforcement. And then we have the logical connection between faschists and anti-PC-people that are so fed up with it they wanna political change which is so strong people might oversee the differences in intention.

I mean you could see that you cant and dont want do anything about it, when you believe in liberalism. The Zeitgeist is what it is and when you wanna be promoted then put your feet from the office table and show interest in professionalism. And I mean you can dislike whatever you want. But when you openly talk about it, you might live with that people dont understand you properly at first glance and you need to explain why you dont like it and dont want it but you dont want to support someone that wants to politically enforce a change with whatever means. There are just contradictions that arise and need more explanation sometimes.

What I want comes down to deescalation. I don't want usage of any word be enough to thereaten ones livelyhood. Where 3rd parties don't force themselves into issiues between two people whithout any invitation. Watch the video I've posted about guy in a Poncho walking around Uni Campus. How many white people were offended on behalf of mexicans that... Loved it. That's what I'm talking about since yesterday. Maybe in my many posts I've touched another topics as well but that's the clue of my message. Grow some balls and let people act in their own Defence. I wouldn't even post in this thread if it was the insulted guy that reported MB. All the power to him if that's the case.

It's all about intention. If you use slurs in your rants about how those people are inferior to you, that's never okay although you have sacred right to do so if your chanell of of distribution allows for it. If you use them as any other insult, with obviosly no intention of demeaning or dehumanizing said groups - be my guest.

Also the 'goverment involvment' that you talk about in relation to my posts, was just me saying that I don't believe gov should censor anything. It was just a response to some guys saying that some words should be outright banned. Maybe I've put too much emphasis on it. Sorry for that.

Fact that someone calls something lame and gay does not mean he's homophobic and shouldn't be enough to put that person under siege. It's that simple.

I really enjoy this thread, conflicting opinions create dialogue. I hope both me and you can take something out from this discussion.

 

[bogusangus]

What is this thread. If you dont like twitch rules then dont be there. Or if you wanna have a legal/moral discussion about how some gentlemen's rules are hurting your perception of what free speech means then argue with Mr.Twitch. MbL is not in private, he is in public, he represents not only himself but the AoE2 community and the platform. Not losing any brain cell and being able to avoid certain insults when losing game of chess and just stay with **** **** and others should be expectable. If you wanna have some private rant session with him without any limits of decency, nobody will stop you. He is partnered with Twitch, he gets money from them for his work, I am sure you also wouldnt argue with a penalty by your boss if you act inresponsibly and you as a free lancer might have insulted a customer and dont start to say: "This is free speech and if they dont like the way I serve them, then they should not choose to come to me. I am, what I am." MbL saw his mistake and apologized, and therefore there should be no discussion by others in his stead about whether it was justified or not or if there is any other to blame than him. It is just mature. We all do mistakes and with the lession learnt and sincere regret the thing should be off the table.

what balderdash is this? MBL getting money through twitch from viewers, yes. MBL getting money from twitch, noooooo! Bunch of bassoons. I apolise already.

 

[The Bloodless]

Mbl you're one entertaining guy... Stay real. But you could clean up your language a bit

Don't really see why one f bomb is a bannable offense considering how many swear words I see from everybody! But if it gets some people to talk a bit better I'm all for it.

 

[RobChang]

what balderdash is this? MBL getting money through twitch from viewers, yes. MBL getting money from twitch, noooooo! Bunch of bassoons. I apolise already.

The money is coming from twitch. Ofc originally the subs come from the viewers but its redirected via twitch and then mbl gets his share. And that share is even bigger when he is partner so they give him more money than others would get. It is like a salesman of insurrances :D He will get his money from his customers but the money goes from the customer via the enterprise to him, because they take their share for the working tools. And he also gets money from ads and that is now really coming from twitch even if you dont agree on the sub-money :D or does it not but comes from the advertizers ? :D

 

[Relux_the_Relux]

Don't really see why one f bomb is a bannable offense considering how many swear words I see from everybody! But if it gets some people to talk a bit better I'm all for it.

It is because there is a difference between expletives like "****" and "****" and slurs (like the f-word that mbl used) not all swear words are created equal.

 

[slixgotcha]

Completlely disagree and wrong at so many levels.

1. English maynot be his first language, but he streams and interacts with this viewers in English.
So burden on him to learn the ways of the language.

That's exactly my point. "Faggot" in the UK is a cigarette, in the US it's become a slur on par with the most heinous words you can say... Like "cunt", which has been declared thoroughly misogynistic. Say that in America, and watch jaws drop. Which is humorous, because in other parts of the English speaking world, it is a piece of friendly banter. Need I go on? The idea that because English is a language spoken worldwide, that there is then a worldwide consensus on the severity and meaning of certain words, is ludicrous. To expect somebody who lives in a country where it is not spoken as the native tongue and who most likely learned conversational English in school - but colloquialisms and insults online - to be abreast of the ever-changing appropriateness of certain words through the lens of the zeitgeist is absurd.

2. Dont shoot the messenger
It doesn't matter who/how reported him. He got banned since he did something wrong (as per Twitch TOS). You or someone may not agree but thats your POV.

Wow, you must be a popular fellow among your friends. Do you report them to the police when they jaywalk? To report MBL is to ascribe nefarious intent to what he said, it's to ignore context, it's to ignore who we know him to be, it's a lazy way of inflicting pain on him. It's far more cruel than a word uttered towards an unknown adversary in a moment of anger, because it's personal. If you can't differentiate, I'm not sure what to say.

3. Two wrongs dont have it right.
What was acceptable in 80's/90's is not a justification for 'it' to continue.
Things change, opinions change.

At no point in my post did I justify targeted, homophobic attacks towards individuals. That is a mis-characterization of my position. You are fighting a war over a word, because to you it represents something you dislike. Meanings of words change, as do the way people perceive them. That's why we need to focus on how words are used, not the words themselves. I don't believe a word alone can be evil, no more than a knife or a hammer. MBL had no reason to believe his opponent was homosexual, I doubt he even knew who the person was. It was a person, in their second language, grasping for a word that would convey his sense of dissatisfaction with another person.

4. Respect the livelihood.
If this is his primary source of income, then he better take care of it and respect it.
There was a recent streamer who got banned for smashing keyboard on his head. I'm sure his viewers were not offended and enjoyed his 'impulsive' play/stream style. But, be careful, there is line somewhere.

Twitch policies change on a nearly daily basis, they permanently banned one of their largest streamers (DrDisrepect) with nary a word as to why. Perhaps they should publish a master list of words they have deemed to be unacceptable, regardless of context. As far as I know, they haven't, and won't. Perhaps they will wake up and decide women streaming themselves doing yoga stretches in crop tops will be unacceptable one day. Their content moderation is whimsical at best. Your post would have been more honest if you just said "MBL said something I didn't like, and I take satisfaction in him being punished for it, because it reinforces my view of how the world should work and I believe others should be forced to comply."

 

[The Bloodless]

It is because there is a difference between expletives like "****" and "****" and slurs (like the f-word that mbl used) not all swear words are created equal.

I disagree. Any swearing is a lazy "shortcut" that demeans somebody. One person says "fa***t" another says "fu***r*. There is no "fear of homosexuals" or homophobicity in just saying a single word just like many people say "n****r" and are not being racist.

 

[Odette]

just like many people say "n****r" and are not being racist.

That's a pretty strong statement and I would like to see examples of these "many people"

 

[DatStankadank]

That's a pretty strong statement and I would like to see examples of these "many people"

 

[Relux_the_Relux]

Yeah, if you're saying that it's ok to say it because it is the n-word sounds more like a reason to not say it.

 

[Misqus]

That's a pretty strong statement and I would like to see examples of these "many people"

Bassically all stand up comedians around English speaking world used it in one of their performances, almost every single rapper, black people. Are they racist or this time you will say that context and intent matter afterall?

 

[govs]

And the government prosecutes you when you hate someone and think what you think as long it is in private and involves noone else insulted or hurt ? I can't see the involvement of the government and its institutions here at all ?

Is the government responsible for promotions in your former workplace ? Or did the bosses just not want someone showing off some irresponsibility by treating people like that even though the specific friend didnt mind. Maybe they also dont want you to spank your friend in your office during worktimes when everyone else can hear you. Maybe the situation was not private at all. And when your behaviours lead to disruptions in the social structure of the team, then boss will worry about it yes. I mean coworkers will be confused when the boss still promotes you even though there was this issue shortly before. They will just postpone it and look at the situation later again, most probably.

When you dont like your workplace and want to work with people that dont care who they promote and pass responsibility to whoever, then go ahead and look for such a working place but dont make a politicum out of it and see the involvement of government in everywhere. It is just professionals at work. They would do the same thing when someone screams Marx quotes every noon in his office that everyone can hear you. It is no political issue at all, just manners.

Social coexistence can be difficult especially when social norms change, but that is just what freely has developped and is no govermental censorship or whatever. And people that want a political counterrevolution to reverse that development to make the people "free again" feel more than anyone else to try to suppress the political and social system. Or what is what you want to prevent your boss to mind the issue ? Should there be a law prohibiting that ? Or should there be drama around that in the same way you describe it to be right now around every decision ? Or should a boss just decide with his best knowledge and conscience ? I mean when you dont like his decisions and means to decide then maybe it is not good to stay under his leadership for longer.

I only see there an individual problem you have, I dont know how that promotes political movements because how will these movements change that from happening ? Should there be laws that intervene that hard with business decisions ? Or you wanna have a cultural change so that wont happen anymore ? Something that one can try but usually that will only be possible with detention and enforcement. And then we have the logical connection between faschists and anti-PC-people that are so fed up with it they wanna political change which is so strong people might oversee the differences in intention.

I mean you could see that you cant and dont want do anything about it, when you believe in liberalism. The Zeitgeist is what it is and when you wanna be promoted then put your feet from the office table and show interest in professionalism. And I mean you can dislike whatever you want. But when you openly talk about it, you might live with that people dont understand you properly at first glance and you need to explain why you dont like it and dont want it but you dont want to support someone that wants to politically enforce a change with whatever means. There are just contradictions that arise and need more explanation sometimes.

Is this a rant or serious?

 

[TheCapybara]

"Faggot" in the UK is a cigarette

This is incorrect. A 'fag' is a cigarette. A 'faggot' is a bundle of sticks, the food that's already been described elsewhere in this thread, or a homophobic slur.

To report MBL is to ascribe nefarious intent to what he said, it's to ignore context, it's to ignore who we know him to be, it's a lazy way of inflicting pain on him. It's far more cruel than a word uttered towards an unknown adversary in a moment of anger, because it's personal. If you can't differentiate, I'm not sure what to say.

Yes, you're absolutely right, context matters. The context of the word 'faggot' as an insult is that it's grounded in homophobia. It's rooted in the principle that being gay is to be subhuman. This is why so many of us are calling out its use. MbL's response to the consequences has been mature and reasonable, and I respect that he's stood up and taken it on the chin. What I find really concerning is that so many people continue to think it's unreasonable to feel put out by use of a word that is part of a whole system of marginalising people who have historically been abused in society, and continue to suffer on a daily basis.

 

[slixgotcha]

This is incorrect. A 'fag' is a cigarette. A 'faggot' is a bundle of sticks, the food that's already been described elsewhere in this thread, or a homophobic slur.

Not British, so I defer.

Yes, you're absolutely right, context matters. The context of the word 'faggot' as an insult is that it's grounded in homophobia. It's rooted in the principle that being gay is to be subhuman. This is why so many of us are calling out its use. MbL's response to the consequences has been mature and reasonable, and I respect that he's stood up and taken it on the chin. What I find really concerning is that so many people continue to think it's unreasonable to feel put out by use of a word that is part of a whole system of marginalising people who have historically been abused in society, and continue to suffer on a daily basis.

Well you see, that's the thing. Perhaps it started as an insult, because it was used to refer to homosexuals in a derogatory manner. But as a word becomes more and more popular, it often becomes divorced from its original meaning. When I was a kid growing up in America in the late 90's, it was very common to call a friend a "faggot" when he did something we disapproved of. Were we saying he was a homosexual? No, in fact I remember using that word before I even knew what a homosexual was. So while it most certainly started as a slur, there was a period of time in American culture where it transcended that and became a insult you would sling at anybody. I'm quite certain that was never true of n****r.

 

[orangereaper]

That's exactly my point. "Faggot" in the UK is a cigarette, in the US it's become a slur on par with the most heinous words you can say... Like "cunt", which has been declared thoroughly misogynistic. Say that in America, and watch jaws drop. Which is humorous, because in other parts of the English speaking world, it is a piece of friendly banter. Need I go on? The idea that because English is a language spoken worldwide, that there is then a worldwide consensus on the severity and meaning of certain words, is ludicrous. To expect somebody who lives in a country where it is not spoken as the native tongue and who most likely learned conversational English in school - but colloquialisms and insults online - to be abreast of the ever-changing appropriateness of certain words through the lens of the zeitgeist is absurd.



Wow, you must be a popular fellow among your friends. Do you report them to the police when they jaywalk? To report MBL is to ascribe nefarious intent to what he said, it's to ignore context, it's to ignore who we know him to be, it's a lazy way of inflicting pain on him. It's far more cruel than a word uttered towards an unknown adversary in a moment of anger, because it's personal. If you can't differentiate, I'm not sure what to say.


At no point in my post did I justify targeted, homophobic attacks towards individuals. That is a mis-characterization of my position. You are fighting a war over a word, because to you it represents something you dislike. Meanings of words change, as do the way people perceive them. That's why we need to focus on how words are used, not the words themselves. I don't believe a word alone can be evil, no more than a knife or a hammer. MBL had no reason to believe his opponent was homosexual, I doubt he even knew who the person was. It was a person, in their second language, grasping for a word that would convey his sense of dissatisfaction with another person.



Twitch policies change on a nearly daily basis, they permanently banned one of their largest streamers (DrDisrepect) with nary a word as to why. Perhaps they should publish a master list of words they have deemed to be unacceptable, regardless of context. As far as I know, they haven't, and won't. Perhaps they will wake up and decide women streaming themselves doing yoga stretches in crop tops will be unacceptable one day. Their content moderation is whimsical at best. Your post would have been more honest if you just said "MBL said something I didn't like, and I take satisfaction in him being punished for it, because it reinforces my view of how the world should work and I believe others should be forced to comply."

1. That's exactly my point. "Faggot" in the UK is a cigarette...
I'm not sure if are trying to disagree with me or trying to counter it. End of the day streaming has become global phenomenon and you are no longer preaching to a narrow audience. The streamer has to know the commonly used phrases/expressions (both good and bad). Or they'll LEARN the hard way.
And that's exactly why the ban is for a week (aka a warning) and not a perma-ban.

2. Wow, you must be a popular fellow among your friends. Do you report them to the police when they jaywalk?
Why I'm popular. TY. (PM for tips if you need).
If you break the law, however trivial it may seem, don't be surprised if you are punished for it. Would I?
If you meant to state that such usage should not be considered serious, then think again.
And while you are it , why dont you try to use the same phrase in MBL's stream again!!! That will help you identify your friends.

3. At no point in my post did I justify targeted, homophobic attacks towards individuals. That is a mis-characterization of my position. You are fighting a war over a word, because to you it represents something you dislike.
We have already established that these things are not about individual thinking. As a person you can hold whatever thought and no one cares. Its all about what is accepted as a society. Again, you can disagree but remember the "right to disagree" is also what we have accepted as "society".

4. Twitch policies change on a nearly daily basis, they permanently banned one of their largest streamers (DrDisrepect) with nary a word as to why. Perhaps they should publish a master list of words they have deemed to be unacceptable
Fair enough.
I'm sure given how these things works, the language is probably vague. And top of that Twitch is a free service, so use at your own peril.
(and I'm equally aware that even though I only watch, my information is collected, consolidated and used for marketing purposes).
Remeber, if the product is free then "You" are the product.

 

[filifow]

This is incorrect. A 'fag' is a cigarette. A 'faggot' is a bundle of sticks, the food that's already been described elsewhere in this thread, or a homophobic slur.


Yes, you're absolutely right, context matters. The context of the word 'faggot' as an insult is that it's grounded in homophobia. It's rooted in the principle that being gay is to be subhuman. This is why so many of us are calling out its use. MbL's response to the consequences has been mature and reasonable, and I respect that he's stood up and taken it on the chin. What I find really concerning is that so many people continue to think it's unreasonable to feel put out by use of a word that is part of a whole system of marginalising people who have historically been abused in society, and continue to suffer on a daily basis.

The context is emotional person saying random word in anger without any history of expressing homophobic opinions. There is no charity in your interpretation. Also Mbl's response could not be any different than what it was. He wants to keep his livelihood and this is the only way in current climate. I feel way more bitterness and hate from your posts than I ever felt from watching Mbl. Luckily for you my feelings cannot get you banned.

 

[slixgotcha]

I'm not sure if are trying to disagree with me or trying to counter it. End of the day streaming has become global phenomenon and you are no longer preaching to a narrow audience. The streamer has to know the commonly used phrases/expressions (both good and bad). Or they'll LEARN the hard way.
And that's exactly why the ban is for a week (aka a warning) and not a perma-ban.

Absurd. Judging people on mere words and giving no weight to the intent behind them is a fast track to highly censored lunacy. It's particularly discriminatory against people who don't have access to the cultural avenues that make what you deem to be an "acceptable" understanding of slang, common phrases and insults possible. It is grossly unfair and biased against people who do not live in the countries that set these standards, or have or choose to have nonstop access to their media.

Why I'm popular. TY. (PM for tips if you need).
If you break the law, however trivial it may seem, don't be surprised if you are punished for it. Would I?
If you meant to state that such usage should not be considered serious, then think again.
And while you are it , why dont you try to use the same phrase in MBL's stream again!!! That will help you identify your friends.

It's not about friends, and by saying that you only further illuminate your lack of comprehension for the viewing public. We aren't picking sides here, we're deciding whether the intent behind a word is more important than the insult you choose to inflict upon yourself from your perceived intent of its usage. You've decided that what you feel, shaped by your narrow worldview trumps anybody else's. While this is convenient for you, and certainly makes you correct in your own court, other juries would be less forgiving.

We have already established that these things are not about individual thinking. As a person you can hold whatever thought and no one cares. Its all about what is accepted as a society. Again, you can disagree but remember the "right to disagree" is also what we have accepted as "society".

All things are about individual thinking, and to think otherwise is to forfeit your personal sovereignty. I, personally am at peace with thinking for myself, though I do understand that many such as yourself may find it an undue burden. Society, en masse , is not offered carte blanche on determining that which is acceptable. We aren't governed by mob rule, but rather by our most immediate peers - only recently has the internet given equal weight to the far flung opinions such as those of yourself, and of myself.

Fair enough.
I'm sure given how these things works, the language is probably vague. And top of that Twitch is a free service, so use at your own peril.
(and I'm equally aware that even though I only watch, my information is collected, consolidated and used for marketing purposes).
Remeber, if the product is free then "You" are the product.

There is no particular language, beyond that what they deem to be unacceptable, is unacceptable. Like most mega-corps, they tend towards a "zero tolerance" policy, as it is the most economically efficient way to police the language that is found most unfavorable by society at any given point in time. The truly amusing part of this argument is the belief that Twitch has any interest in pursuing any goal other than maximizing shareholder value. Their regard for the homosexual, or any other minority group is most certainly dwarfed by MBL's. But then of course, you are the product - and their content moderator, as you have made so clear. I suppose there is a certain charm found in being the unpaid but useful cog in the culturally defining machinations of the wealthiest corporation in the world.

 

[Umdeuter]

Absurd. Judging people on mere words and giving no weight to the intent behind

While your point is a good one in general, it misses the issue here a bit as this is not about judging anyone. You were replying to a suggesting that people should know, otherwise they will learn. A small ban like that is perfectly suitable to make the standards clear - not only for the banned person but also any spectator - without causing harsh long-term-damage.

You can see in this thread that pretty much nobody is judging MbL for it while many support the ban.

 

[TheCapybara]

The context is emotional person saying random word in anger without any history of expressing homophobic opinions. There is no charity in your interpretation. Also Mbl's response could not be any different than what it was. He wants to keep his livelihood and this is the only way in current climate. I feel way more bitterness and hate from your posts than I ever felt from watching Mbl. Luckily for you my feelings cannot get you banned.

The precise point is that it's not a random word. It is a word which has a long history as a homophobic slur. Please notice, nobody here has suggested MbL should be perma-banned or anything like that. A lot of us have said that a few days seems proportional and we respect the remorse which MbL has shown. Nobody here has suggested we think MbL meant it with homophobic intent, nor that we think he is a bad person.

The issue a lot of us are caught up on is the constant defence people are showing for using language which is harmful to marginalised people in society. It comes across as people saying they have no understanding or sympathy for people who face often daily challenges because of the way people speak both to and about them, who face violence and abuse for who they are. This went beyond being about MbL's involvement a long time ago.

 

[filifow]

The precise point is that it's not a random word. It is a word which has a long history as a homophobic slur. Please notice, nobody here has suggested MbL should be perma-banned or anything like that. A lot of us have said that a few days seems proportional and we respect the remorse which MbL has shown. Nobody here has suggested we think MbL meant it with homophobic intent, nor that we think he is a bad person.

The issue a lot of us are caught up on is the constant defence people are showing for using language which is harmful to marginalised people in society. It comes across as people saying they have no understanding or sympathy for people who face often daily challenges because of the way people speak both to and about them, who face violence and abuse for who they are. This went beyond being about MbL's involvement a long time ago.

It was random because if we agree that intent was not homophobic, it could have easily been any other random offensive word.
You have commented on the original meaning of "faggot" so you can comprehend that meaning of words and the usual intent behind them can change in time. Somehow you are only able to see it happening in one direction.