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As long as they don't leave the AoE2 scene for good, it's good for the community that creators are playing AoE4 and getting viewers from other scenes. When they'll inevitably move back to AoE2 or find a balance between AoE2 and AoE4, those viewers might transfer to AoE2 as well.
 
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nimanoe said:
As long as they don't leave the AoE2 scene for good, it's good for the community that creators are playing AoE4 and getting viewers from other scenes. When they'll inevitably move back to AoE2 or find a balance between AoE2 and AoE4, those viewers might transfer to AoE2 as well.
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My not-unpopular-yet-criminally-underspoken opinion is that this guy is as nice as our lord Daut and as important to the comunity as any big caster you can think of
 
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nimanoe said:
As long as they don't leave the AoE2 scene for good, it's good for the community that creators are playing AoE4 and getting viewers from other scenes. When they'll inevitably move back to AoE2 or find a balance between AoE2 and AoE4, those viewers might transfer to AoE2 as well.
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What viewers are you talking about? There won't come anyone new from aoe4 on facebook xDDD
 
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- I prefer watching AoE4 over AoE2 at the moment
- all this talk of an AoE2 elite that has too much power at the expense of Memb is bullshit
 
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SuperskinnyBLS said:
What viewers are you talking about? There won't come anyone new from aoe4 on facebook xDDD
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Check any AoE2 streamer on Twitch and you'll see that they get more viewers streaming AoE4 than AoE2, so perhaps some of these new viewers will be converted to AoE2 as well.
There are a lot of people from different games giving AoE4 a try and if AoE2 players perform well, they might follow them and come watch them play in AoE2 tournaments as well.
 
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nimanoe said:
Check any AoE2 streamer on Twitch and you'll see that they get more viewers streaming AoE4 than AoE2
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I actually don't think this is true, not for everyone at least.

Jordan was streaming AoE4 this morning with around 400-500 viewers, pretty sure he usually comfortably hits over 1000 when streaming AoE2 at that time of the day.
The thing is, when he's streaming AoE4 there are other, bigger streamers who are on at the same time, taking possible viewers away from him.

Viper also confirmed AoE2 does better in his Facebook channel, for the time being.

Your point still stands though.
Anyone who comes for AoE4, might stay for AoE2 if no competitive scene develops in the former.

To me it all depends on how the next AoE4 patch will look like.
If the next patch signals to the players that Microsoft is now focusing their efforts on the multiplayer side, trying to make it more appealing to competitive players, then I think indeed the AoE2 scene will suffer a major hit.
But if it only brings bug fixes for the campaigns and stuff like that and the same thing is true for the patch after that, then things might be different and AoE2 can indeed maybe even benefit from that.
 
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nimanoe said:
Check any AoE2 streamer on Twitch and you'll see that they get more viewers streaming AoE4 than AoE2, so perhaps some of these new viewers will be converted to AoE2 as well.
There are a lot of people from different games giving AoE4 a try and if AoE2 players perform well, they might follow them and come watch them play in AoE2 tournaments as well.
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I think the biggest streamers, meaning daut and Hera, got more viewers with aoe4. But smaller streamers, such as spring and jonslow, seemed to have fewer viewers on aoe4. In addition, survivalist and Chris appear to have more viewers than prior to aoe4. So generally big--> aoe4 good, small--> aoe4 bad, as far as viewer numbers go. It would be nice if someone did a proper look at it though.
 
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MaSmOrRa said:
Jordan was streaming AoE4 this morning with around 400-500 viewers, pretty sure he usually comfortably hits over 1000 when streaming AoE2 at that time of the day.
The thing is, when he's streaming AoE4 there are other, bigger streamers who are on at the same time, taking possible viewers away from him.
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Just looking at the stats from the last 30 days, it seems Jordan streaming AoE IV has slightly higher numbers on average, but they're mainly carried by the first few streams.

I agree with the rest of your post, if AoE4 over time actually becomes a good competitive game then we might have some problems and see some streamers leave AoE2 for good, which definitely would be a bad thing.
 
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nimanoe said:
Just looking at the stats from the last 30 days, it seems Jordan streaming AoE IV has slightly higher numbers on average, but they're mainly carried by the first few streams.

I agree with the rest of your post, if AoE4 over time actually becomes a good competitive game then we might have some problems and see some streamers leave AoE2 for good, which definitely would be a bad thing.
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This one here shows Jordan is 4% down on average viewers.

But yeah, is too soon to tell either way in my opinion.

Edit: wait, your link shows he's down too!
Or are we looking at different things?
 
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I dont think big means benefitting from AoE4 and small from AoE2 is the major thing here. It is also the Viper and T90 leaving twitch effect. Hera is the biggest channel T90 and Viper viewers have been following. What happens is: big growing more and small growing less. I think the effect of the content streamed is yet to be seen. The more times go on, we may end up with AoE2 vs AoE4 streamers as different communities and tastes. But right now t90 and Viper departuring from twitch is the biggest factor.
 
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MaSmOrRa said:
This one here shows Jordan is 4% down on average viewers.

But yeah, is too soon to tell either way in my opinion.

Edit: wait, your link shows he's down too!
Or are we looking at different things?
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He's down in average viewers, but his average viewers for AoE4 are higher than his average viewers for AoE2, which is what I was looking at. Anyway, the difference isn't really big and as you said the point still stands that there will be new people coming in who can be converted to AoE2.
 
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AOE IV brings lots of new people to the franchise. Some people would also love AOE II.

Some People will love AOE IV but won't love AOE II


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Everyone will love AOE II
 
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Tournament organizers should appeal to the broad audience, not to the 40yo Wojak that dwells his parents' basement and stinks of his own piss, cum, and ****, and plague this forum, myself included. Wow!
 
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Deer luring should not be possible
 
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Tournament organizers should appeal to the broad audience, not to the 40yo Wojak that dwells his parents' basement and stinks of his own piss, cum, and ****, and plague this forum, myself included. Wow!
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Wow thats a mean thing to say about @RoR_xTeRRoRx
 
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Expert TGs were more interesting to watch when sling was not completely removed from feudal and castle age, yet.
 
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RiuT is by FAAAAAAAR the most overrated AoE2 player in the AoEZone community. People often talk about it like an unbeatable legend, like a brazilian Viper or Liereyy, putting him at #13 best Age age of Empires of all time, truth is he wouldn't be even be in my top 80. I even consider a random semi-pro player like
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RoR | Ganji to be slightly more skilled and competant than RiuT in this game.

His results speak volumes:

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Many will say "blah blah philippe you're too harsh, you don't get it he's just rusty these last seven years in reality he's a beast and a hidden gem", well numbers don't lie, and if you still think RiuT is a AoE2 master who just needs to be awaken, well let's read it from the horse's mouth himself:

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Other less-known pros who are actually good and rising to the top deserve more recognition than him. SongSong, Overtaken, Noisick, Babaorum, Margougou, Survivalist, etc.​
 
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Philippe le Bon said:
RiuT is by FAAAAAAAR the most overrated AoE2 player in the AoEZone community. People often talk about it like an unbeatable legend, like a brazilian Viper or Liereyy, putting him at #13 best Age age of Empires of all time, truth is he wouldn't be even be in my top 80. I even consider a random semi-pro player like
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RoR | Ganji to be slightly more skilled and competant than RiuT in this game.

His results speak volumes:

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Many will say "blah blah philippe you're too harsh, you don't get it he's just rusty these last seven years in reality he's a beast and a hidden gem", well numbers don't lie, and if you still think RiuT is a AoE2 master who just needs to be awaken, well let's read it from the horse's mouth himself:

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Other less-known pros who are actually good and rising to the top deserve more recognition than him. SongSong, Overtaken, Noisick, Babaorum, Margougou, Survivalist, etc.​
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Generally speaking majority of the "old pros" is overrated, simply because the player base and pro scene was very tiny and these guys didn't have competition.
 
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Philippe le Bon said:
RiuT is by FAAAAAAAR the most overrated AoE2 player in the AoEZone community. People often talk about it like an unbeatable legend, like a brazilian Viper or Liereyy, putting him at #13 best Age age of Empires of all time, truth is he wouldn't be even be in my top 80. I even consider a random semi-pro player like
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RoR | Ganji to be slightly more skilled and competant than RiuT in this game.

His results speak volumes:

View attachment 196670

Many will say "blah blah philippe you're too harsh, you don't get it he's just rusty these last seven years in reality he's a beast and a hidden gem", well numbers don't lie, and if you still think RiuT is a AoE2 master who just needs to be awaken, well let's read it from the horse's mouth himself:

View attachment 196671

Other less-known pros who are actually good and rising to the top deserve more recognition than him. SongSong, Overtaken, Noisick, Babaorum, Margougou, Survivalist, etc.​
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Why are you only showing results from 2016 on? :smile:

RiuT's achievements before 2016:

Brain Champion Cup 3: 1st place (beating DauT)
SY Nations Cup 1: 2nd place
Top Experts League 3: 1st place
Top Experts League 5: 2nd place
War is Coming: 2nd place
WSVG Maldives: 3rd place
Clan Masters Invitational: 1st place

All these tournaments were undoubtedly S-Tier tournaments in the context of how the scene looked like back then.

RiuT is indeed a legend of the game, I fail to see why one would even try to dispute that honestly...
 
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MaSmOrRa said:
Why are you only showing results from 2016 on? :smile:

RiuT's achievements before 2016:

Brain Champion Cup 3: 1st place (beating DauT)
SY Nations Cup 1: 2nd place
Top Experts League 3: 1st place
Top Experts League 5: 2nd place
War is Coming: 2nd place
Clan Masters Invitational: 1st place

All these tournaments were undoubtedly S-Tier tournaments in the context of how the scene looked like back then.

RiuT is indeed a legend of the game, I fail to see why one would even try to dispute that honestly...
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Lol I zoomed out at max on my screen (spammed Ctrl -), I couldn't go further out

Half of these tournaments are TGs so it counts three or four times less. Plus I tend to not give any special attention to results from a decade ago to judge the performance of a player today.
 
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MaSmOrRa said:
Why are you only showing results from 2016 on? :smile:

RiuT's achievements before 2016:

Brain Champion Cup 3: 1st place (beating DauT)
SY Nations Cup 1: 2nd place
Top Experts League 3: 1st place
Top Experts League 5: 2nd place
War is Coming: 2nd place
Clan Masters Invitational: 1st place

All these tournaments were undoubtedly S-Tier tournaments in the context of how the scene looked like back then.

RiuT is indeed a legend of the game, I fail to see why one would even try to dispute that honestly...
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Not only this stuff, but in rated Hun wars (or even a few meso wars back then, but more Huns) back in the day he was pretty much invincible at one point. The only two names who could win a set vs Riut that I recall were Viper and Jordan. No one else could really touch him. There were other seriously strong players back then like Yo, Daut, and I think Chris who Riut seemed ahead of too. He was also a top 10 DMer as far as rating went I believe (during the time Viper and Jordan were also dominating DM), which maybe not many remember. Certainly lives up to legends tbh.
 
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Philippe le Bon said:
I tend to not give any special attention to results from a decade ago to judge the performance of a player today.
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Judging whether someone is a legend or not is not about judging the performance today
 
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Judging whether someone is a legend or not is not about judging the performance today
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We have to be precise then. I came in the community in 2013, at that time I (and people in general) considered RiuT as a very good player, he indeed had a good stride with TyRanT between 2013 and 2015 in team games

For 1v1 performances, three achievements in 2013-2015:
He won Top Expert League 3, runner up on Top Experts League 5 when I was around, also TyRanT War 3 which wasn't very serious and ended on a DM FFA 1v1v1 stalemate if I remember well lol

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It seems most of his individual successes are more concentrated around year 2010, many #1 places, where I wasn't around, so I didn't experience him at the top of his game. (cf picture)

Maybe he was such a beast that year, and people having the chance to experience his performances (were there even tournament streams in 2010?) could say God, he's the best.

Unfortunately I didn't experience that, and many others didn't as in 2010 the game wasn't quite mainstream.
And as SuperSkinnyBLS said, players from this era are a bit overrated because of the tiny competition, I don't give too much credit on that 2007-2010 post-Zone era. Things started to get a bit more serious since WCL 7 in 2011, because it was the first real big tournament since Zone GGed basically'.

To me RiuT has sort of a streetwise legend, sort of "if you weren't there at his peak where he slayed all, well you weren't", there's some sort of old myths I buy into because I have more meat to chew on (recorded games, old tales from players from back then, etc), like DauT legend, Capoch, Chris…

But for RiuT, I mainly think his real "omg he is unbeatable in 1v1" is smoke and mirrors, and lasted like one year in 2010. TheViper rise started around 2011-2012 anyways, since then Vipey killed all, there wasn't a place for an other #1, not even Jordan.

I might be biased, but it's "what are your unpopular opinions" thread, is it? Some people are very big on RiuT, some people just don't get that RiuT hype at all, and both opinions are okay!
 
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I don't really care to be honest (and I don't know anything), I just found that statement unjustified
 
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I think burmese are a super fun and unique civ to play, even if they are kinda underwhelming
 
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