WCL7 GroupC Round5 poZ B vs Immortals

[JUDAS]

Actually Poz B has the right to not reschedule, If the tourney is for fun why Inmortals team didnt want to play them with a team that was not the optimal? (I assume they have the three players but not their best line up), also cowards is a very harsh word, even in this crazy internet world, so the apologies from the admin is a must.

 

[Marco]

Did I insult anybody with my bold/caps look 100 characters? I don't think so, way different from poz_um. You are the one who intended to make all this public making this topic only to defend yourself, so people would vote in favor of your clan just because you are afraid of playing these games because BVIRUS is not going to be able to play. Who's the one with this "A TEAM bullshit" ? Come on, I'm a member of immortals and I'm free to say whathever I want and defend whoever I want. And now you keep saying he's maphacker, but you should proove he's been using now before you open your big mouth.

Btw, a friend of mine has said: "scar/Portuguese (not Brazil!) assholes always pull this bullshit", what a ****ing true statement? How many tournaments have you screwed with smurfing and blablabla? In Brazil you are verey known for doing it, and now, nice try!!

 

[timtim]

Btw, a friend of mine has said: "scar/Portuguese (not Brazil!) assholes always pull this bullshit", what a ****ing true statement? How many tournaments have you screwed with smurfing and blablabla? In Brazil you are verey known for doing it, and now, nice try!!

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pls don't make generalizations, it's never a good idea

 

[rhap]

Marco should chill out, he's embarrassing me

 

[poZ_tobi]

You made the use of caps and big bold letters not to mention foul wording to prove your point in a insulting way I don't see why you should get away with it if others didn't.

I made this topic to contest the admin's decision which was bizarre and unfair to say the least, I don't need a popularity vote because if you read my initial post, I removed poZ B from WCL after reading the prophet's decision.

Yes I care if I have my best team available, but if they don't show up I still play, we played without bvirus last week vs RVK and many times before that and would have played without him had he not shown up vs the immortals because we had other players available as we always do.

I stopped using the term rehabilitated maphacker because according to dreams it was offensive so I switched it to maphacker to not hurt his feelings as for proving he uses it, I don't need to, it has been proved that he used it in the past if he still uses I really don't know or care.

I brang up his maphacking past to show that his word is just as good as any other cheater's, he lied about rescheduling, he changed his version of what happened that day and he then told admins he would remove the team from wcl if they didn't rule in his favour, he will do and say whatever he needs to get what he wants.

I don't care if you bring up my past smurfing everyone who has been around since zone know's about it just do me a favour and please don't compare playing with more than one group of friends in a tournament to maphacking it makes you look desperate.

 

[_LuG_]

I think immortals "Blackmailing" worked and they where scared they would drop out if admins did give admin wins, Which is quite clearly the right thing to do.

 

[Marco]

Rhap, do you really think I give a **** about what you think? Who cares if I'm embarassing you, I do not care at all!

Scar, you keep telling he's maphacker but in the end you say you don't know if he still does it? Good one. I don't want to discuss anymore, I just would like to see the games, too bad you seem afraid of playing it (you could at least play the games and leave the tourney after if you want my mouth shut).

_LuG_, as you don't seem very smart, take a calculator and make some math and tell me if Immortals really need these games to get second place. The answer is no, Immortals still can get second place depending only in its further games.

and when I meant "portuguese", I would like to apologize. I meant "CHs".

Done here.

 

[_nG_Aegir]

lug, I think the right thing to do would have been to play the games as the admins requested..

This seems to have become more about ego in the 'who is right' part of this debate. It has spiraled out of control to bring up things that really dont have relevance in this topic, such as calling someone a maphacker or when people are being called liars. this league should be about wins and losses, not about how to think about ones character and have decisions made based off that. It seems like people on both sides are letting the difficulties they feel they have getting a match together outweigh those of the other teams. some do seem more reasonable than others. I do think the games should be played though. And if there is a burden going forward it does seem like it would be on the immortals. they will have to make time to play two matches in a week when it was a struggle to get one done this week because of circumstances. poZ's circumstance should never be counted on (about having the extra week) but in this spot, why not use it? it would seem to be poor sportsmanship, no matter what happened before to create the miscommunication, to not just try and go forward to reschedule the games.

It is unfortunate that they have made the decision they did to not move forward in this league. I know they probably had a number of people looking forward to watching their games and cheering them on. But I know when something stops being fun, it is probably time to quit. Stress is no fun, but I think it would be regrettable that you let a weeks worth of frustration cause you to throw in the towel on a, despite what the nitpickers will say, well run league. I cant believe you would take your situation for granted and walk away when there are many teams who still cant field a full team or players who wanted to play in this league but couldnt. its a shame it has come to this, and the games couldnt have just been played and both teams move on.

lug again, I think I have seen 3-4 posts of yours in this topic advocating for admin win decision, I dont think you need to make it heard any more. It really seems like you would rather be told you win without playing than to actually play a game (which is fun..) and take that win for yourself. How is this so clear? If it was, I dont think we would have 9 pages of debate leading up to my post.

and Im a pretty big fan of vengance, so as for hasan getting back from vacation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uxn3Roq ... re=related

 

[dogao]

well i will ask it again since the last time 'nobody' read me 11

where is the penalty point for poZ A and Legion A for posted the recs wrong missing 1 game?

 

[ralber]

we get special treatment because I am adorable

 

[B4bylon]

The victory will show who has the bigger balls!
Mortal Kombat!

 

[caepe]

True. After I've seen 'The Ralby Road', Ralber has a free pass.

 

[tsc_watch_beer]

is fai from poz honfai?

 

[poZ_ratS]

i would say we have the right of claiming aw, considering the whole situation. admin decision is somehow in favor of immortals, rescheduling the match without any "actual" punishment. if tobi decides to withdraw from tourney, i will respect his decision.

 

[nC_Luzi]

well i have to say if you really want to dig up **** from the past, deathcubek has a point, smurfing is nothing compared to maphacking, but i think everyone deserves a second chance and as far as i know ra/eminem stopped cheating...in addition i also have to say that i remember TEAN guys being always extremly unfriendly and poZ B claiming aw (even if ra lied to him) clearly shows a lack of sportmanship...just my opinion^^

 

[tsc_watch_beer]

em is an old buddy of mine. he had just got caught and admitted to map-hacking about 4 years ago when he was in the process of joining TsC...we were worried about it coming back to bit us, but Matt and a few others stood up for him to give him a second chance, i hadn't met the guy yet. once he joined tsc him and Matt started playing all the time, along with the rest of my clan mates, Seba, slayer, lion, para etc etc...his skills grew steadily and before long he was one of the better players in our clan. I've played prolly a hundred games with him, and have known him pretty well since then...yea it was stupid what he did, but he realized his mistake and moved forward. i would guarantee that he has never done it since.

you cannot attempt to define someone's entire life and label them for it for what happens for albeit part of it. that would be like a 5 year old kid stealing baseball cards from a store and still getting called a thief at the age of 90. people at younger ages make mistakes all the time, i think he was 16 when he did that.....yea i get that your pissed at the guy and you always want to find the best insult you have in your arsenal. but the rest of you guys...lol get over it...

someone above said this is now about pride. i agree 100% if i was the admins i would force a time for them to play if they cannot reach one, example say to them if you cannot get the games scheduled before thursday of next week, then you will play on sunday at 12gmt...obviously find a time similar to the last time they played. i already can tell that they each are going to have problems conciediing a bit to get this worked....look at the vns and alc...once things took a turn for the worse, and they had to reschedule they were both asking for times that the other could not make...and it went to AW...i got a feeling that if admin dont step in and force a time if they cant agree, the same thing will happen....just alot worse.

i also agree that the admins need to act more professionally. one of them needs to apoligize asap. the other needs to stop adding fuel to the fire. im not tryin to make a zing, by any means....from an outside point of view i think both of those also need to be done to help get these games played.

sorry about all the mispeeeeeled words and such. im tired and could careless to type correctly. as long as my point got across im happy with it.

 

[amazingcalvin]

if the "best team" is really a big problem here then y dont they play the games with the same team?

 

[DreaIVIS]

Since you can't follow the no-flaming rule, I will close this topic for now and you who continued flaming, will be sure to get small vacation from our boards. I will review this later when I am back at my hometown this evening.

 

[DreaIVIS]

poZ B is withdrawing from WCL 7. To avoid more damage and because of the equal changing of words, no more further punishments will be given. poZ B games will all be changed to admin loses.

 

[DreaIVIS]

Immortals POV added.