WC2020 Questions & Feedback

[RobChang]

Don't be ridiculous it's pretty clear the rule is only about TC wars, i.e. when players are first building their TCs.

Sorry, for bringing this up after Nili read it that way. Totally ridiculous.

 

[Tilín]

Hi @NachoAoE , i find my contry number in the seeding document, but i have more questions like where i can see the brackets, maybe can i write to your discord, it could be better and faster for me. Thank you for the previous answer

 

[rich_27]

Hi @NachoAoE , i find my contry number in the seeding document, but i have more questions like where i can see the brackets, maybe can i write to your discord, it could be better and faster for me. Thank you for the previous answer

Here's the thread you're looking for, Final Seeding. In the Silver League document, you're in the Qualifier Teams tab as Peru C. The bracket is in the Qualifiers tab. Your first match is up against China C, vivi & JIbatong, good luck!

 

[dooog]

From the rules: "The higher seeded team will play with the colors Blue (P1) & Green (P3) and the lower seeded team will play with Red (2) & Yellow (4)"

Yellow and green against each other can cause difficulties to some people. Maybe you should think about changing that.

Agree with that. Blue and Cyan for P1 would work better. Or swap Green with Red on the teams.

 

[Nerfox]

Keep in mind that:

• there are 3 main types of color blindness
• green is hard to spot on... well... green maps
• cyan/grey are hard to spot on snow maps
• yellow is hard to spot on desert maps

Unless you can think of a combination that solves all of the above, I think it's better to just stick to one convention.

 

[Zeev]

Keep in mind that:

• there are 3 main types of color blindness
• green is hard to spot on... well... green maps
• cyan/grey are hard to spot on snow maps
• yellow is hard to spot on desert maps

Unless you can think of a combination that solves all of the above, I think it's better to just stick to one convention.

That can be solved with map specific color choices. But my problem is especially yellow against green, that is not ideal even for people who don't have any color blindness. I don't personally like that and everytime on streams I see people complaining about that.

 

[rich_27]

I think by process of elimination and looking at which colours are most similar, that would leave Red/Orange and Blue/Pink. Does that sound any better than Blue/Green and Red/Yellow?

 

[NachoAoE]

Hi @NachoAoE , i find my contry number in the seeding document, but i have more questions like where i can see the brackets, maybe can i write to your discord, it could be better and faster for me. Thank you for the previous answer

I think people already answered to you! Feel free to pm me on discord whenever you need
Cheers

 

[RobChang]

I think by process of elimination and looking at which colours are most similar, that would leave Red/Orange and Blue/Pink. Does that sound any better than Blue/Green and Red/Yellow?

Grey is just bad colour and should be replaced with black. Black is visible on every map.

 

[dodageka]

I think blue/green vs red/yellow is super bad because of green-red and green-yellow. In my opinion best is red/orange (or red/yellow) against blue/grey or blue/cyan. But yeah, if the grey were much darker that would be super helpful

 

[Breakfast]

Black is visible on every map.

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[RobChang]

Excuse you

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Yeah ok gotcha. Also full black bad because of unexplored area but it could be darker Grey as currently

 

[Hjuloppheng]

If it's world cup, there should only be one team per country allowed, take highest rated from the signed up teams. It makes no sense otherwise and it's not truly a world cup.

Late reply and this might have been said already, but there are irl sports with multiple teams for each country. Sometimes the second or third team wins.

 

[Tendo]

Since I couldn't find it in the aoezone-Calendar/liquipedia my question, when will we see the recorded games?
Round 1 happens this week and the games are supposed to be casted starting tomorrow if I see correctly, but at what time (streaming schedule on spreadsheet even mentions opening matches to be streamed starting yesterday).
So where are we able to see when games will be casted (and on which channel), thx in advance.

 

[trevize]

Since I couldn't find it in the aoezone-Calendar/liquipedia my question, when will we see the recorded games?

Saturday's rough starting times have been updated on Liquipedia. Speaking of which, is there a 50x50px icon we can use on LP match tickers and result tables? I think this tournament deserves to stick out a bit more being S-tier.

 

[Shakal]

Why is it even important to set colors for players instead of letting them choose whichever one they like

 

[The Bloodless]

Why is it even important to set colors for players instead of letting them choose whichever one they like

I believe the capture age program does not display correctly if you do not have the right colors synced. In other words, if you expect it to be blue versus red and then blue player actually chooses yellow, half of the stuff on the screen looks blue for him and half yellow. Could be wrong but that's what I thought hera was talking about

Edit: capture age or hera's overlay, not sure which. Basically it ends up looking ugly if you don't set colors beforehand?

 

[IYIyTh]

Can we ban Drushes in the next 2v2 WC, since laming was banned for this one?

Just want to advocate for the elimination playstyles that the game allows that I would rather not watch. Besides, I personally hate when I get Drushed.

 

[RobChang]

Can we ban Drushes in the next 2v2 WC, since laming was banned for this one?

Just want to advocate for the elimination playstyles that the game allows that I would rather not watch. Besides, I personally hate when I get Drushed.

Dont you have your own thread for that stuff ?

 

[IYIyTh]

Dont you have your own thread for that stuff ?

Hello RobChang. Great to see you again. Thank you for responding to my post.

This wonderful thread is titled QnA, Feedback for the 2v2 World Cup. Perhaps this might be the ideal location for such questions, feedback, satire, etc. regarding its rules.

I think it's unfortunate to see playstyles taken away. The diversity of options and possibilities is what, in this humble pile of molecules opinion, makes AOE2 the great game that it is. IE: In the case of laming, utilizing a civ like Vietnamese to counter a likely now every-draft civ like Mongols and be able to go after their boar(s) w/ scouts as a team. Mongols can essentially have a free Dark Age and can push deer to their hearts content if they wish. What do rules that encourage this kind of free-early period for civs like Mongols really mean, IYIyTh?

I'm glad you asked RobChang.

Trigger Warning: We're going to now offend people by suggesting walling as a viable playstyle.

Rules that discriminate against early playstyles means you're likely to see a bunch of walls and FC and less open play. Rather than try to fight Mongols + teammate or eco civs in Feudal, you're likely to make the correct decision to skip feudal entirely. Because as much as people dislike laming, they probably don't like dying in feudal age to a cascade of spammed scouts with which they can only hope to match half their capacity more.

I also think it unduly gives prominence to everyone's flavor of the year playstyle-- pre-mill Drush. A Drush's purpose is not to necessarily kill villagers, but disrupting villagers, and causing idle time. Lots of pretend feigned attacks, think -- stop animation play/rewind in terms of excitement. However, even in pro-games they end up finding vil kills. Maybe it's just me, but Drushes just don't do it for me. (is the militia going to attack, are the villagers?! the suspense...has the player walled/quickwalled enough?! rinse, repeat). I couldn't blame someone for finding this method of winning a game annoying/distasteful just as much as any other.

The point is that it shouldn't matter what my or the community at larges general preferred playstyles are. Including pro's.

And so friends, pets neglected by their parents looking at aoezone, twitch viewers of the world, I'm all for it -- Drushes should be allowed since the game allows it. You would be allowed to do it if you met up with someone in a ranked team game, etc. Just like laming.

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I personally think rules against playstyles is a step in the wrong direction for the community -- ie: just like laming, pro's routinely rage about things like Hoang rush, because when done successfully they are difficult to adapt to and counter even at high skill levels. So next tournament maybe we'll get rid of Celts/Siege Monk pushes because the top 3/5 players hate playing against it and throw big baby fits about how "unskilled," or "boring to play against," it is on their streams constantly. You could apply this towards walling. You could apply this towards towers, if DE ever decides to make them plausible.

I'm not smart enough to discuss the actual impact slinging pre-castle age has, but I do remember in the past the Finnish teams being quite exceptional at utilizing such strategies to best theoretically better individual players on teams like aftermath or Tyrant. If not winning games by it -- causing them particular difficulty in obtaining it.

I think T90 has had it right in the past in letting the best players and teams of the game utilize as much of the game possible to scrape a win against incredible competition and odds. In fact, his tournaments have been and are -- to me at least -- generally the most entertaining out there - especially since the settings were general and the players made their own luck based on decisions they made, rather than potentially being impacted by those forbidden.

I'm aware people (pro's/viewers included,) might dislike playing against laming, and indeed the tournament organizer likely took that perhaps by itself and nothing more.

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Also aware I'm just beating my head against a wall since nothing is likely to change, at least for the foreseeable future.

I just hope we're not headed that way where Hoang-rushes or other playstyles that are generally dislked end up being removed/become standard tourney rules.

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(for personal preference, because their favorite pro player cried after losing to it and said it was low-skill/bad... or otherwise)

Just think there should be feedback provided and an opportunity for the community to discuss if it's necessary to dictate how the game is played by its best players -- as no such restrictions await the casual player in ranked matches.

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I also understand that I have the benefit of not having to care what Pro-players or the community thinks. T90 has to work with the pro players, some who can be unflexible/uncompromising, and who benefit from such rule changes being made as they would likely place lower if not. As much as you might say they dislike a playstyle, you can't tell me they wouldn't participate just because it were allowed. T90 likely also considers the general opinion against laming, which tends to not favor laming. I don't think that will ever change, but I know there is a smaller subset of even those who dislike laming might dislike even more having playstyles mitigated by rules in the future. So perhaps this is just an op-ed hoping folks just let the players figure it out on the battlefield.

Maybe I'm old fashioned like that.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

I love the nation factor finally back in aoe2. Loved watching the China and Brazil deciders and games were played on a really high level.

Just 1 thing I find concerning ( that Nili spotted but wasn't confirmed )
a ) the gold generation on valley in the Chinese series apparently was not fair with Vivi and Jiba having 8 extra piles ( assumption ). I wish it was checked with the rec and perhaps fixed for the main event :P

 

[bobbyjns]

I'm wondering what the specifics are around the last 16 - is it seeding based primarily/ is it a random 1st of the group v random 2nds, accounting for two of the same country going through? And how does the double Brazil/Finland going thru affect the other qualifying team in those groups?

Kind of surprised there isn't querying about who teams will face in the last 16. Is nobody else wanting to plot out what matchups we might see? Or if two first place finishers meeting in last 16 because of two Brazil teams finishing 2nd

 

[Alive]

what is the logic of " Round of 32 part 2: 30th Nov - 06th December (the 16 nonqualifiers from the main event will drop down and join the Silver league) "?
thats is unfair with who started in silver league without a chance to play on the main event.

 

[sportsjefe]

Kind of surprised there isn't querying about who teams will face in the last 16. Is nobody else wanting to plot out what matchups we might see? Or if two first place finishers meeting in last 16 because of two Brazil teams finishing 2nd

I think part of it is that we don't have a direct line from group stage to playoffs like we do in other tournaments.

FIFA World Cup for example knows that the winner of group A plays the runner up of group B.

I guess robo's going to reseed them to avoid country v country first rounds? But why then put both Canada teams in the same group?

 

[robo]

what is the logic of " Round of 32 part 2: 30th Nov - 06th December (the 16 nonqualifiers from the main event will drop down and join the Silver league) "?
thats is unfair with who started in silver league without a chance to play on the main event.

It would be equally unfair if by being in the gold league you potentially are unable to earn any money, and it would be better to be 33rd in silver instead of 32nd seed and in gold.