Viper also switching to FB gaming

[Leonidas91]

900 viewers on a new platform isn't bad imho. Good job T90!

Is that peak viewers?

LUL - the numbers are pretty low tbh

 

[mrtrouserbanana]

He only had around 600 last night on a saturday night for quarter finals of a brand new game...

 

[Baron Icey Harkonnen]

Does no one have a moral dilemma with this?
They didn't go to FB to be better connected with their fans.
They aren't using a experimental streaming set up.

They went for more money. They feel they are entitled to more money, simply by playing and promoting this game.

 

[Kaschperili]

The only reason why Viper and T90 switched to facebook was pure greed. They dont care about their fans. And it doesnt matter that they already made decent money with streaming on twitch. Viper also promoted dubious mobile game apps and a crypto scam coin before. The only reason he took it down was because he didnt expect the scope of the shitstorm. If your brain is affected with greed you cant think proberly anymore. You just want more and more stuff. Doesnt matter if it makes sense or not.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

Its actually pretty sick how low numbers are on Facebook compared to Twitch. T90 has about 900 viewers right now. Hera has 5k on Twitch. If t90 was on Twitch I feel like he wouldve at least 7k, probably 10k.

Doesn't matter for him :D

 

[kw1k000000]

I am guessing here but most people are not mad about moving to FB, some will still watch him and some other will stick to twitch.

Its the latest disdain and complete lack of interest shown in aoe2 which is what causing most of the outrage.

 

[Halleju]

Does no one have a moral dilemma with this?
They didn't go to FB to be better connected with their fans.
They aren't using a experimental streaming set up.

They went for more money. They feel they are entitled to more money, simply by playing and promoting this game.

Yes and they dont give a rats ass about the people who "fed" them for years now during good and bad Aoe2 times. Either you follow them like a puppy everywhere they go or good riddance. Thats the message they give their audience who supported them for years. So remember this with your next donation, when they come back to twitch after a year of fb gaming, when Zuckerberg decides they are not worth the money he is paying.

 

[Beanslinger]

Funny story I tuned in to watch some t90 on Facebook for a minute. I scrolled down and was immediately blasted by a Facebook gaming stream of a faceless woman just straight up naked and had a title like "lets have some fun and play games" that had 20k streams in the gta 5 category hahah. Needless to say I was shocked, like we all know the infamous hot tub streams but this was explicit as hell and took me by surprise.

 

[Rayne]

I don’t know why there isn’t some kind of a rule where if a topic gets resurrected repeatedly for the sake of beating a dead horse (in a negative way to add), it should get closed.

Think both T90 and Viper have been through enough honestly, and this is from someone who doesn’t agree with FB. They probably don’t want to show their faces here again.

 

[kw1k000000]

Think both T90 and Viper have been through enough honestly, and this is from someone who doesn’t agree with FB. They probably don’t want to show their faces here again.

Ohh yeah poor T90 and Viper. People are so mean and nasty here.

 

[Progeusz]

I don't mind people being assholes but at least do it for some sensible reason and not stuff you made up in your heads that has nothing to do with reality. Right now you're just mentally unstable haters.

T90 puts more focus on aoe2. The accusations above are outright wrong.
Viper said many times in the past that he will focus on aoe4 when it comes out. Getting uppity now makes no sense and only shows you don't actually care, you just want a pretext to be toxic because that's the only thing you live for.
Btw he also confirmed he isn't abandoning aoe2.

 

[Halleju]

I don't mind people being assholes but at least do it for some sensible reason and not stuff you made up in your heads that has nothing to do with reality. Right now you're just mentally unstable haters.

T90 puts more focus on aoe2. The accusations above are outright wrong.
Viper said many times in the past that he will focus on aoe4 when it comes out. Getting uppity now makes no sense and only shows you don't actually care, you just want a pretext to be toxic because that's the only thing you live for.
Btw he also confirmed he isn't abandoning aoe2.

maybe you should breath slowly and read the last posts again. Its not about the games. The topic is abandoning their viewers like nothing, who supported them for years through good and bad, for more money.

 

[Progeusz]

>abandoning their viewers
switching to platform which is more annoying to use for most of their viewers*
and it only applies to twitch frogs
YouTube viewers in fact get better content than before.

>like nothing
now that's just a malicious lie
stop being mad and actually think if you're going to discuss stuff

They weighed positives vs negatives and made a choice which made sense.

 

[Kaschperili]

I don't mind people being assholes but at least do it for some sensible reason and not stuff you made up in your heads that has nothing to do with reality. Right now you're just mentally unstable haters.

T90 puts more focus on aoe2. The accusations above are outright wrong.
Viper said many times in the past that he will focus on aoe4 when it comes out. Getting uppity now makes no sense and only shows you don't actually care, you just want a pretext to be toxic because that's the only thing you live for.
Btw he also confirmed he isn't abandoning aoe2.

I have seen with my own eyes when Viper tried to promote an obvious crypto scam. Fortunately the shitstorm was too big to pump and dump the coin on his poor fans with his filled bags.

Unfortunately it is not a made up hater story to **** on Viper without any reason. It really happend. Money corrupted his mind. No surprise he left his fans behind and switched to facebook. If you pay him well enough he would promote anything you want.

 

[Baron Icey Harkonnen]

I can excuse the Viper. He sells his skills. Its an ability. He worked for it

 

[baaly]

I have seen with my own eyes when Viper tried to promote an obvious crypto scam. Fortunately the shitstorm was too big to pump and dump the coin on his poor fans with his filled bags.

Unfortunately it is not a made up hater story to **** on Viper without any reason. It really happend. Money corrupted his mind. No surprise he left his fans behind and switched to facebook. If you pay him well enough he would promote anything you want.

That was really fishy and out of the blue and his alleged lack of knowledge about it (as he put it) doesn't excuse scamming his viewers at all. Honestly that should've caused much more of a **** storm than his move to zuccbook..

 

[_Donatello_]

You really don't have much going on for you in life if this is the stuff that are ruining your day.

You can still perfectly fine follow Theviper and T90, they are streaming all the time, I really don't see how grown up men can cry like babys over stuff like this

 

[baaly]

You really don't have much going on for you in life if this is the stuff that are ruining your day.

You can still perfectly fine follow Theviper and T90, they are streaming all the time, I really don't see how grown up men can cry like babys over stuff like this

Never said it ruins my day. I still enjoy playing and watching aoe regardless of the platform. Can I remind you tho that Viper tried scamming people. That should have caused (justified) uproar, considering his influence as streamer, not fbgaming or whatnot (his own career choice).

 

[_Donatello_]

Never said it ruins my day. I still enjoy playing and watching aoe regardless of the platform. Can I remind you tho that Viper tried scamming people. That should have caused (justified) uproar, considering his influence as streamer, not fbgaming or whatnot (his own career choice).

I don't think he had the intention to "scam" people, but yea he promoted some scetchy coin one time and apoligized for it and it seems like he learned his lesson becasue he did not do it again.

So why drag it back up and make drama about it 6 months after, it makes your life better? what should he do to get your blessing when his apology (that you still can find online, he does not try to hide it) is not enough?

 

[baaly]

I don't think he had the intention to "scam" people, but yea he promoted some scetchy coin one time and apoligized for it and it seems like he learned his lesson becasue he did not do it again.

So why drag it back up and make drama about it 6 months after, it makes your life better? what should he do to get your blessing when his apology (that you still can find online, he does not try to hide it) is not enough?

Good that he apologized, and that nobody got scammed! I think he wanted to make easy bank, or if that's not the case that he is naive. We don't really know the truth tho.
And stop assuming stating what he did makes me feel better, and that I need his blessing.

 

[shm0wt]

Honestly given the amount of hate on this thread, it's pretty funny that people are attacking streamers for not being "loyal" to the community that "supports" them. If this is how Viper and T90's fans react to them moving to a new platform, I'm not surprised they didn't feel any great desire to prioritise said fans' opinions over their own financial security.

Obviously the whole thing is ridiculous anyway: streaming is a full time job for those two, and if you get offered more money to do the same job somewhere else, obviously you're gonna take that offer 99% of the time. If you expect anything else, that says to me that a) you've never had to work for a living or b) you don't see your fave streamers as professionals doing a job, but as your special friends who owe you eternal loyalty because you subbed to their Twitch for 12 months or w/e.

I understand a lot of people are sad to not be able to watch Viper and T90 on Twitch anymore. I am sad about that too. I understand that people are worried about what this means for the future of AoE2, and I share that concern. But taking it out on the streamers like they've somehow committed some ethical breach seems pretty overwrought to say the least.

 

[ltm]

Watch or don't watch, it's really not that deep. But then again i'll never understand how people can just throw their money to streamers that make more a year than 99.9% of their chat, the whole streaming thing is kinda weird when you think about it 11.

Maybe it's a good lesson for some people to not get emotionally attached to someone who doesn't give a **** about you and doesn't even know you exist beyond maybe reading off your nickname once in a while.

They cashed in, that's it. You don't gotta like it (i don't as i don't want to watch on FB) but it's not the end of the world.

 

[kw1k000000]

Watch or don't watch, it's really not that deep. But then again i'll never understand how people can just throw their money to streamers that make more a year than 99.9% of their chat, the whole streaming thing is kinda weird when you think about it 11.

Maybe it's a good lesson for some people to not get emotionally attached to someone who doesn't give a **** about you and doesn't even know you exist beyond maybe reading off your nickname once in a while.

They cashed it, that's it. You don't gotta like it (i don't as i don't want to watch on FB) but it's not the end of the world.

People think it's just 5$ (so nothing) a month but dont realize if 10,000 of them do it then it's 50,000$ a month

 

[eberlazting]

People think it's just 5$ (so nothing) a month but dont realize if 10,000 of them do it then it's 50,000$ a month

Get a load of this guy, he knows basic arithmetic.

 

[Baron Icey Harkonnen]

Honestly given the amount of hate on this thread, it's pretty funny that people are attacking streamers for not being "loyal" to the community that "supports" them. If this is how Viper and T90's fans react to them moving to a new platform, I'm not surprised they didn't feel any great desire to prioritise said fans' opinions over their own financial security.

Obviously the whole thing is ridiculous anyway: streaming is a full time job for those two, and if you get offered more money to do the same job somewhere else, obviously you're gonna take that offer 99% of the time. If you expect anything else, that says to me that a) you've never had to work for a living or b) you don't see your fave streamers as professionals doing a job, but as your special friends who owe you eternal loyalty because you subbed to their Twitch for 12 months or w/e.

I understand a lot of people are sad to not be able to watch Viper and T90 on Twitch anymore. I am sad about that too. I understand that people are worried about what this means for the future of AoE2, and I share that concern. But taking it out on the streamers like they've somehow committed some ethical breach seems pretty overwrought to say the least.

Eagerly awaiting your streaming debut.
The allure of streaming is that anyone can do it.
You know, not a professional.
I don't care where they stream. I don't care when they stream. Hell I don't even really care what they stream. What do care about is money sadly.
What I want to hear about is how they are giving back to the community.
These men are getting paid alot of money compared to average american.
Are they doing game give aways? computer give aways? hell a ****ing car?

I don't want to hear any horse **** about these people are working for the community. They aren't. They work for themselves.

If you want to sit there and tell me T90 happened because he had the inherit skills to stream and promote, and not simply because he was one of the first out of the gate...
Then im gonna politely disagree with you