AOE-II Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro management

[calyx925]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Anyway, I never got around to reading the whole thread

I suggest you read my posts before commenting *****.

I suggest that you do what you advise others to do. If you want people to read your opinion (and reply to statements that already have been answered 3 times before), just take that little time or don't bother posting yourself.

Also please refrain from flaming. This will only devaluate your (potentially valid) arguments.

You don't have to be a top player to have an opinion about this matter. You also don't have to be a top player to be able to write a potentially useful script. Neither do you have to be a good scripter to come up with an innovative idea, so be open to anything you read and try to contribute in a constructive way please. Until now I've only seen words from you, while others have posted working examples.

It takes some knowledge to write a usable script that can be applied under various conditions. If you look at Wattle's structured script for example, you can clearly see he's an experienced programmer. Take that knowledge and apply it to your own multiple farm script that you weren't able to implement. The deselection process shouldn't be too hard with the examples already given.

Yes I've watched the video and it's an extremely easy script to make. Not the work of an 'experienced' programmer 11 just a novice with some basic knowledge, like me. You can get all high and mighty about flaming, but you are the ***** who made implied accusations about various nationalities of players cheating because they didn't post in your crappy thread.

 

[calyx925]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Still I'm waiting for examples beyond the monk script (useful) and general deselection, that would actually be useful in a RM game. All the farm stuff is bollocks. If you watched top players (not fake 18+ like that indian guy above), you'd see this.

But instead, I'm getting people crying about banning a legitimate tool for simple hotkey remappings not possible in the game itself.

 

[wattle]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Here a simple demonstration video for my recently posted script: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCoMrIye1I4

 

[Carlos Ferdinand]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Still I'm waiting for examples beyond the monk script (useful) and general deselection, that would actually be useful in a RM game. All the farm stuff is bollocks. If you watched top players (not fake 18+ like that indian guy above), you'd see this.

But instead, I'm getting people crying about banning a legitimate tool for simple hotkey remappings not possible in the game itself.

You are just not worth it. I will never post examples here in public because I simply hate the possibility of anyone taking advantage out of tools like this. You are simply hurting your argument with the emphasis of "if you watched top players you'd know this".

And calling me fake 18+ seems to make you feel better off in your argument. Tells a lot about your "pragmatic approach to the issue".

 

[xThomas]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Hi xThomas, thanks for your idea. I made a script which is spamming leftclicks when holding down Ctrl+Shift+LeftButton, so you don't need to spam the leftclicks manually (while holding shift).
I think it could also be useful if you like to build many houses (or even walls for the bf-guys :D )
However if you drag your mouse fast over the screen there still will be some gaps (at least when running on my laptop).
Here my simple demonstration video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCoMrIye1I4
I hope nobody will kill me if I post the script here (feel free to make suggestions):

; This skript is dedicated to simplify building many farms, houses or other buildings in Age of Empires II - The Conquerors Expansion
; The author IS NOT LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY THIS SCRIPT. Also there is no guarantee that this script won't mess up your game.
; Don't use this script, if you do not agree!
; The author suggests to consider, if your opponent agrees in using scripts.

upperUIborder := 21
lowerUIborder := A_ScreenHeight-175

; doublepress Esc to exit this script
~Esc::
	if (A_PRIORHOTKEY= "~Esc" AND A_TIMESINCEPRIORHOTKEY < 300)
		ExitApp
return

; Hotkey should be aktive only when AoE2 is aktive (if your Game-Window has a different name, you need to adjust this)
#IfWinActive, Age of Empires II Expansion

; press Ctrl + Shift + LeftButton to spam leftclicks while holding down LeftButton
^+LButton::
	while GetKeyState("LButton", "P")
	{
		MouseGetPos, X, Y
		if (Y > upperUIborder and Y < lowerUIborder)
			Click X, Y
	}
return

maybe something like that could be implemented in the userpatch?

yep, that's my idea. I'm expecting that it works also in the scenario editor, which could be useful
The gaps with fast mouse is a pity, but expected. Speed in the video was not ideal, but looked good enough for a demonstration. 0:20 - 0:30 was the best demonstration and pretty much what I was looking for. I will try it myself soon (Mac user, so it takes a bit of finicking around to play AOE2).
p.s. that is a very short code, rather surprising but I'm not a coder. Does it have an auto end after so many seconds (just to prevent any kind of accident)?

 

[UpperKEES]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Thanks for your compliment UpperKEES, but had only one year of java, years ago. It's more learning by doing and reading the AHK-documentary, so I won't be surprised if someone can do it better, but at least trying my best.

Oh, I didn't expect you to be a professional developer, but that one year experience was shown by the way you added comment lines, declared your variables and used indentation.

I think it's nice that you leave some room for improvement by others, which makes it a fun challenge.

I completely agree with you, regarding the "flaming-aspect". For me it's always a pleasure to read some well-thought and constructive posts from BugA.

Yeah, his posts are a treat for the sensible mind. He obviously is the right person at the right place here.

Still I'm waiting for examples beyond the monk script (useful) and general deselection, that would actually be useful in a RM game.

Again, read the thread and you'll find about 10 examples. You can't expect others to make a video of each script for kids with a 30 second attention span. It's actually very enjoyable to get something working yourself. Or even better: come up with a creative idea instead of copying.

Yes I've watched the video and it's an extremely easy script to make. Not the work of an 'experienced' programmer 11 just a novice with some basic knowledge, like me.

Hmmm, but yet you failed doing so. Tells me something about your scripting skills.

Now the deselection script can be beneficial. It would actually be a very easy script to make, I have made much more complex ones based on the same idea.

I have unit build scripts for CBA that fill stables with paladins/camels/arbs etc... all mapped to the F keys. I could give you many example of scripts I have built from simple key remappings to very complex scripts.

I see you have deleted your original posts, but that doesn't help you. Time to put your money where your mouth is and show us something.

Here a simple demonstration video for my recently posted script: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCoMrIye1I4

Nice! I like the way the farms and houses are placed adjacently (terrain permitting). Updated first post.

that is a very short code, rather surprising but I'm not a coder. Does it have an auto end after so many seconds (just to prevent any kind of accident)?

Press ESC twice to exit the script. I'm sure a timer could be used, but the desired duration would be very situational. As Wattle already said I recommend reading the AHK-documentation to customize the script. This includes a command reference, describes how to use variables and also features a tutorial.

Feel free to post your own version afterwards!

 

[wattle]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Does it have an auto end after so many seconds (just to prevent any kind of accident)?

If you mean the leftclick-spamming-hotkey: every time before sending a click it checks if the left mousebutton is pressed (is down), so when you release, there should no mousclicks being spammed. But to be more save you could add a counter like

; press Ctrl + Shift + LeftButton to spam leftclicks while holding down LeftButton
^+LButton::
	count = 0
	while GetKeyState("LButton", "P") and count < 250
	{
		count := count+1
		MouseGetPos, X, Y
		if (Y > upperUIborder and Y < lowerUIborder)
			Click X, Y
	}
return

If you mean the script itself, at least on Windows usually each skript has it's own tray-icon where you can exit it, don't know how it is on Mac or like UpperKEES said Press ESC twice.
In my personal AHK-script for AoC (when playing against the horde or barbarian :D ) I use this at the beginning of the script to exit the script when closing AoC:

WinWaitClose, Age of Empires II Expansion
	ExitApp

 

[age2010]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

UpeerKEES genius :D

 

[THE_Lenn0]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Quick question to this (very old) topic
So, is it considered as cheating when binding f.e. "Ctrl+a, a" to one single key, without any additional scripting?

Greets Lenny

 

[John the Late]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Don't think so. Nobody can check it anyway so it would be impossible to enforce.

 

[Spaden]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

God, not this topic again. May it rotten in hell.

 

[Genette]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

UpperKEES <3 This one was my favourite one though lol

 

[SaladEsc]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

I need some help with autohotkey

#IfWinExist, Age of Empires II Expansion
<::
MouseGetPos, X, Y
Send ^{Click 363, 912}
MouseMove, X, Y, 0

Why does this not work inside the game?
I tried some of this, but does anyone know why that is?
http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/1 ... he-basics/

 

[Dravius]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Please just delete this thread

 

[THE_Lenn0]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

I'M SO SORRY!!!!!

 

[_ChIvO__]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

im pretty sure top player use this no way to be 2k without this

 

[rmcoo]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

im pretty sure top player use this no way to be 2k without this

11

P.S. Why the ****ing hell somebody would revive this cancer x_x

 

[jinxed11]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Is there a way to be absolutely sure that people are not using it in tournaments ?

 

[rmcoo]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Is there a way to be absolutely sure that people are not using it in tournaments ?

Teamviewer

 

[Brainless]

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

Quick question to this (very old) topic
So, is it considered as cheating when binding f.e. "Ctrl+a, a" to one single key, without any additional scripting?

Greets Lenny

im pretty sure top player use this no way to be 2k without this

I am sorry, how hard can it be?
press ctrl-A ?

If you have watched Vipers streams where he used they keyboard view, you can see it is just about knowing to find the buttons. Instinctively. All buttons. Without thinking about it. I can do this with a few, like BE BF HCHCHC. But i cant really type blind, which you have to be able to be top player. You have to practice this, all keys, all uses, and you will be good.

About the more complex macro scripts earlier discussed (multiple monk conversions?), i do not believe in their practicality. The moment where you can benefit from it are too few, and you will see that the program will not be able to adept to specific situations. It will slow you down more then it will benefit you. Like all cheating is, it will make you lazy and soft.

 

Re: Use of hotkey scripts/macro's to improve micro managemen

push
MBL has read this thread very well

 

[SaladEsc]

 

[LowEloNobody]

Why are you posting to drag up all these dead threads about macros?

 

[dave_hun]

Why are you posting to drag up all these dead threads about macros?

He is on copium after denmark gave organ guns, paladins & mangudai to aztec monks

 

[LowEloNobody]

He is on copium after denmark gave organ guns, paladins & mangudai to aztec monks

Maybe I should tag him in all of the old threads on how top use hotkeys...