Two Pools 2 | Questions&Answers

[LidaKor]

If you have any questions about the event, you are welcome to ask here.

 

[Philippe le Bon]

For teams with two players + one backup, do they need to keep playing with the same two players in one set of games, or can they freely alternate between players?

Eg. Game 1 players A and B, game 2 players A and C, game 3 players B and C...

 

[LidaKor]

For teams with two players + one backup, do they need to keep playing with the same two players in one set of games, or can they freely alternate between players?

Eg. Game 1 players A and B, game 2 players A and C, game 3 players B and C...

No, they are free to use whichever player composition they like, and they can sub players in/out whenever they want

 

[RobChang]

Am I seeing it correctly, that there is no restriction in slinging this time ? Was looking forward to more coinage fails Kappa

 

[Lord_patito]

Sorry about the silly question, but I don't remember correctly hiw the draftciv/civ picking process is. Each team draft 1 civ for themselves and 1 for the rival team, but then, each team chooses both civs for each game, right? (I. E. You only get to draft the civ for one pool, but you're free to chose which civ to use for each game from both pools, right?)

 

[RogganWololo]

Sorry about the silly question, but I don't remember correctly hiw the draftciv/civ picking process is. Each team draft 1 civ for themselves and 1 for the rival team, but then, each team chooses both civs for each game, right? (I. E. You only get to draft the civ for one pool, but you're free to chose which civ to use for each game from both pools, right?)

There are two drafts, with each team picking n civs in each draft for a best of n series. The first draft is for the civs that you want to use yourself and the second draft is for the civs that you want your opponent team to use.
For each game, a team chooses 1 civ each from both the drafts.

 

[Lord_patito]

So you chose both your civ for each map, then? (one from the pool you drafted and the other from the pool your opponent drafted)

 

[ktk]

How were the invited teams decided? Based on Two Pools 1 results?

 

[RogganWololo]

So you chose both your civ for each map, then? (one from the pool you drafted and the other from the pool your opponent drafted)

Yes, you are free to choose any civ you want from each pool yourself.

 

[RobChang]

How were the invited teams decided? Based on Two Pools 1 results?

Your question is legit and I hope it will be answered soon for you. But do you miss any team here ? We have 4 teams from the top 2 teams, and then 1 team each for Vietnam/China/Suomi/Brazil resp. Heresy. I think thats fair.

 

[ktk]

Your question is legit and I hope it will be answered soon for you. But do you miss any team here ? We have 4 teams from the top 2 teams, and then 1 team each for Vietnam/China/Suomi/Brazil resp. Heresy. I think thats fair.

Dont really miss a team, but was just curious. There are 8 qualification spots, so all the other well-known names will probably make it to the main event anyway. I was just wondering how the invitations were decided and also how the teams were decided. Like, why not Viper+Jordan and Tatoh+Daut for example. Not saying that's what the players wanted, but just giving an example.

 

[LidaKor]

We will soon publish the seeding sheet that is related.
In terms of invitations: recent tournament performances were taken into account, mostly KOTD3, RBW3 and 2v2WC for the members of the team.
In regards to GL combination: it was GL's decision to play with the teams they play with

 

[ktk]

clear, thanks!
Looking forward to the event!

 

[Ganji_]

Hey, in this document it seems like our substitute is part of our "average 1v1 rating", which i guess doesn't make much sense. Better just making top 2 ratings being the only ones that matter. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...GWX2LF5k0yOjAUagW0p0VVOLjM/edit#gid=491106280

 

[Thorben the Unjust]

Like, why not Viper+Jordan and Tatoh+Daut for example.

I know this has been cleared up already, but just to add: Viper/Tatoh and Daut/Slam were also GL's combinations in 2v2s past

 

[ktk]

I know this has been cleared up already, but just to add: Viper/Tatoh and Daut/Slam were also GL's combinations in 2v2s past

Yes yes, I know. I just gave some names as an example. My main question was how the teams and who gets invited were decided. And the seeding spreadsheet explains that a bit.

 

[Byelo]

There are two drafts, with each team picking n civs in each draft for a best of n series. The first draft is for the civs that you want to use yourself and the second draft is for the civs that you want your opponent team to use.
For each game, a team chooses 1 civ each from both the drafts.

Is there some place in the rules that explains this? I missed a lot of the first event, so not sure how this was done in practice. Do draft one draft completely first, then start the other? Which one is done first?

 

[robo]

Is there some place in the rules that explains this? I missed a lot of the first event, so not sure how this was done in practice. Do draft one draft completely first, then start the other? Which one is done first?

This time around it can all be done via captains mode (thanks to @hszemi who is awesome), previously I think it was done via players talking with lidakor and a spreadsheet

 

[Byelo]

This time around it can all be done via captains mode (thanks to @hszemi who is awesome), previously I think it was done via players talking with lidakor and a spreadsheet

Awesome, thank you!

 

[RobChang]

Am I seeing it correctly, that there is no restriction in slinging this time ? Was looking forward to more coinage fails Kappa

This question is still unanswered.

And in addition: I just found out that there is a GSL style group. Have you considered shortening the first round's matches to Bo3s instead of Bo5 ? This means then, that the 3rd round in the likely case of a rematch, doesnt feel like a redundant repetition of the round one matches. The first round doesnt matter that much anyhow, as its result can be covered up by the double elimination structure inside the group. And since the matchups have high seeding gaps, the matches may be very one-sided. We have seen this in WC2v2, a lot of 3-0s in the first round and even in the second one, so a Bo5 doesnt really add that much in comparision to a Bo3 if the series seems over after two lost games, and the third one is just total brutality. I think Bo3, Bo5, Bo5 structure is something I think is the ideal GSL structure after having seen GSL now in 3 major tournaments before. Short series for the round of least importance, and then more reliable Bo5s in the stages that do matter.

And as a side-effect, avoiding that you have too many tournament games also means that there is no map and matchup fatigue in the SE stages, then when it matters due to too many similiar matches in the group stage. Especially on Arabia where we expect still the classical 2v2 meta this fatigue my come up.

Especially funny I imagine Bo3s in the Twopools drafting format, since it means that teams will have to play with very bad civs on Arabia, whereas when they get 5 good and 5 bad civs, then they most likely will play with their first pick and the opponent's last pick on Arabia

 

[LidaKor]

Regarding Slinging: We will use a similar system to WC2020. The player that wants to send resources needs to be in imp to be allowed to do so.

About Bo3s: It was not considered, and is quite unlikely it will be

 

[Luca8761]

Does the elo of the third player(substitute) affect the bracket positions? If so why so?

 

[LidaKor]

Yes, the sub's elo also is included, since we don't restrict when a sub can step in/out. So technically the sub can play just as many games as others, so it makes sense to involve that player as well

 

[Philippe le Bon]

I assume the scheduling threads will be public on AoEZone?

 

[dodageka]

Regarding Slinging: We will use a similar system to WC2020. The player that wants to send resources needs to be in imp to be allowed to do so.

About Bo3s: It was not considered, and is quite unlikely it will be

Given that this seems to be a manual rule without technical implementation, have you considered a rule where players can only sling players that are same age or an age below? Then you can’t go full sling, but have some more strategical depth, for example sling your teammate to a faster castle age, but then sacrifice your own economy etc.