king Daut is higher than everyone so i didnt pick his position. Tatoh isnt #2. He lost kotd and hc so quickly
Settings was same for everyoneKotd was a big joke with unfair settings against him so that doesnt count. And hidden cup he lost to a top5 player 3-2 and those things just happen. I dont think those examples are enough to show that he shouldnt be #2.
Kotd was a big joke with unfair settings against him so that doesnt count. And hidden cup he lost to a top5 player 3-2 and those things just happen. I dont think those examples are enough to show that he shouldnt be #2.
In the end, was it a $350 showmatch? How the prize was distributed?
Mbl is closer to beat viper than yo . well already he did it in nac2 so?All of this top player talk and nobody is talking about a certain chinese player that we all know as ''the chosen one'' Mr.Yo also known as King Yo, he is the most consistent top expert player of the past 6 years (apart from theviper obviously) and he is going to be the person to finally defeat theviper in a major 1v1 tournament final, the prophecy will be fulfilled one day !
Like this post to spread the word of the propehcy , we need more believers like myself. Do not buy into the hype of these finnish players and mbl or tatoh, those guys will never defeat theviper , even a returning riut has a better shot than them.
Villese won on msc swiss stage so villese close to be number 2???Mbl is closer to beat viper than yo . well already he did it in nac2 so?
Relax guys Viper was trollingmsc maps mean not much. those maps are not standard. And for sure viper let him win that matches.
To decide who is the second best 1v1 player I think it depends on what you value as most important aspects. I think you can argue in favor of Liereyy, TheMax, TaToH, MbL and Mr_Yo depending on what you value more (and which player you prefer of course )
If you think the match-up against Viper should be the most important then MbL will probably be your pick as he has beaten Viper multiple times in the group stages now. Do you value how well you play against the best player in the play-offs of big tournaments? Then TheMax has been the best lately (losing 4-5 in HC2 and winning 2-1 in ECL Europe West). Or do you value how many tournaments the player has won? Then Tatoh (winning Nomad Summer Showdown and ECL Middle East 1v1) is probably your choice. If you focus on the placings in the biggest 1v1 tournaments you will probably prefer Liereyy with his second places in KotD1, KotD2 and NAC1.
Don't think that's true, Liereyy hasn't won any series against Viper in a meaningful tournament, while other players have.That all seems a bit complicated, IMO. I just base it off how they play against each other and performance in past tournaments. Lierey is the clear cut winner in both those departments.
Don't think that's true, Liereyy hasn't won any series against Viper in a meaningful tournament, while other players have.
His last games in tournaments against Viper are losing 0-5 in Nili's Apartment Cup 2 Play-Offs, 1-3 in Nili's Apartment Cup 2 Group Stage, 3-5 in King of the Desert 2, 2-5 and 2-4 in Nili's Apartment Cup 1 and 4-5 in King of the Desert 1.
Meanwhile the record of TheMax: 2-1 in ECL Europe West, 3-4 in Hidden Cup 2 and 0-4 in King of the Desert 1
Record of MbL: 1-3 in Mangrove Shallows Cup Groups, 1-3 in Hidden Cup 2, 3-1 in Nili's Apartment Cup 2 Groups, 2-4 in HC1 and 4-3 in Nili's Apartment Cup 1 Groups (also 3-1 in Legacy of the Huns 2, but let's ignore that one)
Record of Tatoh: 3-7 in Nili's Apartment Cup 2, 0-3 in King of the Desert 2, 1-4 in Nili's Apartment Cup 1 Groups, 3-5 in MoA5.
In Total: Liereyy 9-20 (12-27 with groups), TheMax 5-5, MbL 3-7 (11-14 with groups) and Tatoh 6-15 (7-19 with groups)
And if we look at past tournament performance of around the last year (Nili's Apartment Cup 1 and after):
So in total twice 2nd place, three times top 4, three top 8 finishestop 8 Hidden Cup 2
3rd/4th Nili's Apartment Cup 2
2nd King of the Desert 2
top 8 ECL Middle-East
3rd/4th Hidden Cup 1
3rd/4th ECL Europe East
2nd Nili's Apartment Cup 1
So in total: twice 2nd place, three times top 4 and twice top 8top 8 ECL Europe West
3rd/4th Hidden Cup 2
2nd ECL South East Asia
3rd/4th Nili's Apartment Cup 2
top 8 King of the Desert 2
2nd Hidden Cup 1
(1st Legacy of the Huns 2)
3rd Nili's Apartment Cup 1
So in total twice 2nd place.2nd ECL Europe West
2nd Hidden Cup 2
top 16 King of the Desert 2
top 16 ECL Europe East
So in total: 1 1st place, 2 2nd places, 1 top 4 and 1 top 8.(1st Nomad Summer Showdown)
top 16 Hidden Cup 2
1st ECL South East Asia
2nd Nili's Apartment Cup 2
top 8 King of the Desert 2
2nd ECL Middle-East
top 12 Hidden Cup 1
4th Nili's Apartment Cup 1
In Total:
Liereyy has 0 gold medals, 3 silver medals, 2 bronze medals and 3 top 8 finishes
MbL has 0 gold medals, 2 silver medals, 3 bronze medals and 2 top 8 finishes
TheMax has 0 gold medals, 2 silver medals, 0 bronze medals and 0 top 8 finishes
Tatoh has 1 gold medal, 2 silver medals, 1 bronze medal and 1 top 8 finish
I think you can definitely make a case for Liereyy being the second best player, as he performed the best in non-ECL tournaments, where there are sometimes players missing so the opposition is a bit easier, but to say he is a clear cut winner in both tournament performance and performance vs Viper is not true.
(1st Nomad Summer Showdown)
top 16 Hidden Cup 2
1st ECL South East Asia
Wait did you just give Tatoh a "gold medal" for winning some Nomad tournament I've never even heard of?