The Hidden Cup format?

[Oli King]

also with 50.000+ price pool it definitly sucks for the player who plays vs viper round 1, especially if its someone who would normally easily advance to quarter/semi finals. then you get >2000$ less because of seeding but it can actually work the other way round aswell and make top8-16 work even harder and hope for an easier first and second round.

if it has the same distribution as NAC, this would be payouts (if only main event gets paid)
1. (20% of 50k) 10.000$
2. 7.000
3-4. 5.500
5-8. 3.500 (7%, in NAC 5-6)
9-16. 1.000 (2%, in NAC it was 4% for 7-9)

SUM=50.000

 

[Michaerbse]

I just say that this random algorithm (which we as pleb viewers have no proof was ever used) was pretty good at choosing who deserved to pass to the next round. It decided that TheViper, Mbl, Liereyy and slam were the 4 best players of HC1. It pushed for a Viper vs Liereyy semi and a Viper vs Mbl final, not bad for being blind and fair.

It was TheViper vs miguel and MbL vs slam... (Liereyy had lost to miguel)

 

[Memeluke]

but not a single person in the whole community thinks that miguel is stronger than liereyy and even if miguel beat him again and again and again, liereyy would still be the favourite and seeded higher

 

[Nicov]

also with 50.000+ price pool it definitly sucks for the player who plays vs viper round 1, especially if its someone who would normally easily advance to quarter/semi finals. then you get >2000$ less because of seeding but it can actually work the other way round aswell and make top8-16 work even harder and hope for an easier first and second round.

if it has the same distribution as NAC, this would be payouts (if only main event gets paid)
1. (20% of 50k) 10.000$
2. 7.000
3-4. 5.500
5-8. 3.500 (7%, in NAC 5-6)
9-16. 1.000 (2%, in NAC it was 4% for 7-9)

SUM=50.000

It definitely sucked in both hc1 and 2

 

[archxeon]

It definitely sucked in both hc1 and 2

Hpw about a bonus for losing against the winner?

 

[DracKeN]

Hpw about a bonus for losing against the winner?

I think thats actually very decent idea and it would make it bit more fair.

 

[Memeluke]

I don't think AoC players do it for the money? Throwing more money at them would maybe help a little bit but not fix the problem. I don't think nicov would be much happier with like 500$ for getting knocked out immediatly by theviper (maybe I'm wrong).

 

[Botha90]

The hidden aspect is the USP of the tournament.

We don't know about tournaments for 2020, there is no Escape this year which means there is much more free "pro" time. You can't just flood tournaments in our community because we have a very defined set of pros and if 5 of them are busy with another tournament then the other one is already lacking. There was a lot of playing for Escape and that is likely to be filled with a MS sponsorship somehow. Of the normal big tournament hosts we only have Memb left to reveal his hand after March with Escape gone. 9 months of the year, I think we are likely to see more than just a Memb tournament. Those 3 have proven themselves with MS funds before, I imagine one of those 3 hosts will double up this year.

If that is the case, there is no real reason to get rid of this tournaments USP.

Memb tournaments confirmed for this year then?

 

[hefest0]

I also like watching players vs guessing players. I do not have a lot of time and choose the games I want to watch.

HC is better than nothing, but best is known players.

 

[filifow]

I'm conflicted on this one.
With the hidden format, how do I cheer for Daut when I don't know which of the players is really him?
With the standard format, how do I cheer for him when I know he is already out in the first round?
The hidden thing can ceep my false hopes for a little bit longer, but isn't the pain in the end that much bigger?

 

[Carlini8]

Memb tournaments confirmed for this year then?

Oh no, I am not and can not confirm anything, I have no information. If Memb does decide he wants to host a tournament again he will make an announcement. I am simply saying for the last 2 years the biggest and most regular tournaments have been hosted by T90, Nili, Memb and Escape. Escape is gone and Nili and T90 have shown at least their first hand. Memb has hosted KOTD 1,2, BOA and Mangrove in the past two years but I also know it is a lot of work and effort so maybe he won't, but that would surprise me.

It does seem like we are seeing Microsoft moving towards paying for all tournament fees and then also putting up a nice prizepool which I think will make it much easier for the big guys to continue.

 

[GhostOfYoda]

I think a common fallacy within this community (especially since “big” tournaments have only really restarted in the last few years) is to view that every tournament is to determine the best player of all time. Or even to determine the best current player. But that’s not the case: each tournament can have its quirks and settings - and these should be orientated in such a way to deliver the most entertainment for those watching, without being too frustrating or unfair to the players.

 

[Syphax]

@GhostOfYoda to be fair, you cant really avoid that because:

- if there are only a couple of big money tournaments, then how else are you going to say who is the best player/top 5 etc? Obviously that topic interests a lot of people and alternatives don't really exist (elo? Lol)

- the casters and pros themselves claim that these tournaments have such a big meaning. T90 originally also or even mostly introduced the format so that the "fear factor" of facing a better player wouldn't matter as much (prolly intended as a Viper nerf). This is clearly to make the tournament more competitive.
Pro players also regularly name the winners and top performers of Hidden Cup and other events as the current top players.

So clearly, it isn't just that overly eager fans imagine the tournament to have such a meaning.