T90 leaves Twitch, moves into FB Gaming

[Yankes]

He'll be back when contract expires.

 

[wincher01]

The very few (if any) people who know won't say it. The ones who don't know, like myself, can always speculate and come up with numbers out of our asses.

The main way would be working out how much he was making in Twitch per year and then multiplying that for 3. I don't think he'd leave for less than that because the reward has to be big enough for the risk to be worth it.

For instance if he was making 1 million dollars per year in Twitch (subs + bits + donations + promotions) I reckon he'd accept Facebook's offer of 3 million dollars per year for a 3 years contract, 9 million in total.

Maybe he doesn't make that much though. If he makes 500k/year in Twitch he may be leaving for 1.5 million/year.

Who cares though... Do all your colleagues (and also the janitor, lunch lady and bus driver) know your paycheck?

 

[doacid]

Who cares though...

People who care enough to talk about it? That's how conversations go.
So for a start I guess the guy I responded to, you and me.

Yesterday I also talked about my dog's long claw, but it doesn't mean it keeps me out at night or that I'm trying to shame him into a pedicure.

I'm really happy that T90 is now set for life. I know some people can feel some envy about his earning and some others feel it is a taboo, but that won't stop me talking about it if the conversation comes up.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Who cares though... Do all your colleagues (and also the janitor, lunch lady and bus driver) know your paycheck?

It's very common to talk about the earnings of public figures.

 

[Zeev]

They lost half of their active channels in the last 6 months.

Twitch has also lost half of its active channels during the year. Just shows how tough the competition is nowadays. Which is great, it hopefully will make everyone better.

 

[RobChang]

Twitch has also lost half of its active channels during the year. Just shows how tough the competition is nowadays. Which is great, it hopefully will make everyone better.

I mean maybe the channels doubled in the pandemic. FB also lost half. And one to zero viewer channels arent that important.

 

[Helichaos]

Am I the only one who's apathetic about how evil/moral the people behind these big businesses are?

Realistically they are all in it for themselves, and even if I were to find out which ones were worse, what am I going to do about it?

 

[oozkan]

Let's start a bet, I say he will not even extend his contract.

When his contract is done, he will be back, with a big sell-out to get all the subs he lost. Some 48h streams, a lot hair growing, i hope it is limited with moustache.

Edit: On the other hand, this move shows stupidity of twitch sub badges, like subbed for 2 years badge. So what, a guy can just move his channel all is lost. I do not care about those badges but I know there are people out there.

 

[vesnoimorskoi]

After the KoTD4 finals: Memb leaves Twitch, moves into FB gaming

 

After the KoTD4 finals: Memb leaves Twitch, moves into FB gaming

Not sure, I feel like Facebook Gaming is a nearly dead platform already, that pays people to switch to actually survive somehow. It really much seems like the Mixer-Saga. Facebook has (kind of) endless money, but I wonder how long they keep pumping money into it.

Twitch has also lost half of its active channels during the year. Just shows how tough the competition is nowadays. Which is great, it hopefully will make everyone better.

Facebook Gaming has 55k active channels, Twitch has 2-3 million.

Facebook Gaming has 800-900 games being streamed, Twitch has 11k-16k

Languagewise, Facebook Gaming has most Vietnamese (134k concurrent viewers), Twitch has most English (917k concurrent viewers)

I don't think Facebook Gaming is real competition, to be honest.

 

[MembTV]

After the KoTD4 finals: Memb leaves Twitch, moves into FB gaming

After???

Kappa

 

[Spawn]

Its already confirmed memb got a exclusive onlyfans contract and will be streaming from that platform only.

 

[ltm]

Maybe they'll succeed but the concept of kinda forcing viewers onto the platform by buying their favorite streamers instead of offering a better product is already very off-putting for me.

Not sure if that really is the way to go to beat an established platform like twitch. To be fair though that seems very hard either way but it just doesn't feel encouraging to check out their service if that is the approach.

 

[Syphax]

I'm not saying I would have acted differently in t90's shoes. And I don't think FB is necessarily more problematic than e.g. Amazon/Twitch.

But I do always find it funny when people defend the actions of Twitch streamers like this: "it's his decision, his life, his money, we have no right to criticize it, it's not a moral question" etc.

I mean, success on Twitch is (initially) largely about being a relateable person, about seeming sincere, sympathetic, friendly. It is all about the "intimate" connection between the streamer and his viewers. They feel close to him, as part of his community etc. Otherwise, why would anyone ever donate? Donations serve no clear or measurable purpose for the viewer. They are merely a means of showing personal appreciation.

However, this also means that viewers have "expectations" when it comes to "their" streamer. They want him to be sincere, not a sellout. They hold him to a higher moral standard. And while they have no "legal" right to do so, it perfectly makes sense from the whole way the Twitch business works.

In short: you can't at the same time form this close relationship, this sense of community which is based on personal sympathy and integrity, but then suddenly claim it is your personal decision, none of your business, keep your views to yourself. If you build a business on a fairly personal level, people are going to have personal/moral expectations.

 

[Steeldust]

T90 did this whole streaming for a living. He got paid and most users here in this forum would do the same and it is absolutely understandable.
And maybe it really is a chance to get more fans to AOE2.
I am happy for him.
And I don't envy him his money. If it is 500k or 10 Millions, I don't care.

I will not watch his stream on Facebook but there will be enough fans out there.
Good luck T90!

 

[TruthBomb]

I'm not saying I would have acted differently in t90's shoes. And I don't think FB is necessarily more problematic than e.g. Amazon/Twitch.

But I do always find it funny when people defend the actions of Twitch streamers like this: "it's his decision, his life, his money, we have no right to criticize it, it's not a moral question" etc.

I mean, success on Twitch is (initially) largely about being a relateable person, about seeming sincere, sympathetic, friendly. It is all about the "intimate" connection between the streamer and his viewers. They feel close to him, as part of his community etc. Otherwise, why would anyone ever donate? Donations serve no clear or measurable purpose for the viewer. They are merely a means of showing personal appreciation.

However, this also means that viewers have "expectations" when it comes to "their" streamer. They want him to be sincere, not a sellout. They hold him to a higher moral standard. And while they have no "legal" right to do so, it perfectly makes sense from the whole way the Twitch business works.

In short: you can't at the same time form this close relationship, this sense of community which is based on personal sympathy and integrity, but then suddenly claim it is your personal decision, none of your business, keep your views to yourself. If you build a business on a fairly personal level, people are going to have personal/moral expectations.

It's simple: viewers made him a millionaire by direct support, and after they made him successful he sells his soul to the most evil corporation for even more millions. I hope buyer's remorse won't be too bad once he is streaming to just a few hundred people instead of impacting thousands.

 

[liokale]

Given how well his twitch channel was doing that seems like such an unnessecary aventure to take but humans always want more money. hope he comes back cause he was really good. good thing for him is that he will be able to build for himself a giant jacuzzi to let of some steam if he is ever frustrated with fewer viewer numbers

 

[huntskiki]

I don't really care about the morality aspect of it, it's three businesses interacting in the marketplace. What I will say is that FB's numbers for viewers are complete nonsense. I think part of is calculated based on them promoting streams in feeds and therefore it counts as "viewers" when someone scrolls by. There are VERY small streamers who moved to FB and see instant viewer "growth" however they never seem to actually grow in any other area (Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc.). That being said, more competition between streaming platforms is a good thing as it, theoretically, should lead to Twitch improving in certain aspects to want streamers to stay on their platform. In terms of whether I will watch t90's streams more or less because of this, it's hard to say, I think it will probably be a bit less and I doubt I will subscribe. We have the twitch payout information so we can guesstimate what the contract from FB had to be around to get T90 to switch. I'm sure t90 wouldn't move unless he was guaranteed to make at least his amounts from twitch (so ~250k/year). It's a good move from t90 to capitalize on the growth he's had in the past 2 years and leverage that right before aoe4 comes out. I do wonder what the term of the deal is, does anyone know?

 

[Progeusz]

I'm not sure how to feel... I came back to Age of Empires II before T90 started creating content but he quickly became my favorite AoE II youtuber and has been one for long years. He has unmatched skill in attracting people to the community and making sure they stay there, even if they end up branching out to others, like Viper, Daut, Hera, Memb, Nili, T-West... What does his departure mean for the community?
Will others be able to pick up what he leaves and attract viewers as well as he does? On the other hand, it might lead to remaining channels growing significantly, picking up old T90 fanbase while T90 himself taps into unexplored audience of facebook. I can definitely imagine lots of facebook users who used to love AoE in the past but are unaware of its current growth. It might end up being a good thing for everyone involved, if we go with positive scenario.
At the same time, I can't help feeling worried about the biggest AoE II streamer potentially cutting his viewership by large margin and it affecting interest of sponsors in the game, especially with troubling times ahead of us - by that, I mean AoE 4 release which will undoubtedly be pushed hard by Microsoft and will take away lots of publicity from AoE 2, at least for some months.

I figured it out! (through googling)
Cloud is currently the only streamer with 100-150 viewers

Watch

www.facebook.com

There are aoe 1 streams with 5k viewers doing product placements tho 1111 (All Vietnamese ofc)

btw the sound volume resets every time you rejoin the website.

Thanks for the link. I don't know, is it the fault of my PC being ancient or what but when I compared it to Cloud's twitch streams (which are three years old) I get the impression video quality on facebook is worse.
(unintentional DE vs HD comparison btw lol).

 

[Black Adder]

I'm going to reiterate again the commentary on the whole long-term community atmosphere as the sentiment is getting/has gotten stronger around here, it's rather on the entertaining side how almost everyone is saying he would be stupid not to take the offer and that everyone would (or even should) do the same and take the money, while vast part of the community, often the same people, regularly claim everything here is done for the community, everyone thinks only of the community when hosting tournaments, events and other things and that nothing is based on money - curious dichotomy, right? :-)

 

And maybe it really is a chance to get more fans to AOE2.

I will not watch his stream on Facebook but there will be enough fans out there.

I think a scene for AoE2 on FB Gaming is non-existent. There is a scene for AoE1 mostly from Vietnam, https://www.facebook.com/gaming/ageofempires

It has 11k viewer right now, questioning though, if these are fake numbers seeing how dead the platform is overall.

 

[XDDXOXO]

Ridiculous that you can make a million by streaming a game for a few thousand people on regular basis a few days per week. Yeah that's how this world works.

 

[Fall]

Got to cash that check before the check voids. Streaming seems like something few will retire from.

Exactly. He'll have enough from this deal (I assume) to live comfortably (if not extravagantly) even if he doesn't work another day in his life after whatever contractually stipulated time is up. It's absolutely worth it - streaming is not sustainable for a lifetime for most people (even if it was, whilst streaming might be a desirable job for some years or even a decade, it might not be something you would choose to spend your entire career on).

There is a security that comes from genuine financial independence which makes such a difference. I wish T90 well.

 

[Zbyszek]

I streamed 30 minutes on facebook gaming today and i can confirm that the platform is as shitty for the streamer as it is for the viewer.

 

[Sextilidan]

Maybe they'll succeed but the concept of kinda forcing viewers onto the platform by buying their favorite streamers instead of offering a better product is already very off-putting for me.

Not sure if that really is the way to go to beat an established platform like twitch. To be fair though that seems very hard either way but it just doesn't feel encouraging to check out their service if that is the approach.

The mistake in your statement is the assumption that the viewer is the customer.