start with +150 food?

[KolyaKrasotkin]

I know that new civs always have juicy bonuses to make people play them, but isn't the starting food bonus for the lithuanians somewhat broken, both for very fast drushes or fast feudal strats?

 

[ChristheCo]

I actually heard about a famous AoE:II DE beta rush called Christheco rush, which goes like this:
You first build 1 house and barrack and go for 3 militia right away, you only need to gather 25 more wood, so you dont get housed at pop 10, but from then its a normal build, just with the difference, that you kill 1 or two vils, because your opponent doesnt have loom that early and you deny his berries or wood until he is forced to fight you with vils, which brings more and more idle time...
On pro lvl i think it can be good, but when i do it, it messes my eco too much cause i am only a 17++ player :-(

 

[sechsstein]

I actually heard about a famous AoE:II DE beta rush called Christheco rush, which goes like this:
You first build 1 house and barrack and go for 3 militia right away, you only need to gather 25 more wood, so you dont get housed at pop 10, but from then its a normal build, just with the difference, that you kill 1 or two vils, because your opponent doesnt have loom that early and you deny his berries or wood until he is forced to fight you with vils, which brings more and more idle time...
On pro lvl i think it can be good, but when i do it, it messes my eco too much cause i am only a 17++ player :-(

Viper killed Nili in 5min with this strat the other day

 

[ChristheCo]

Viper killed Nili in 5min with this strat the other day

video? rec?

 

[KolyaKrasotkin]

I actually heard about a famous AoE:II DE beta rush called Christheco rush, which goes like this:
You first build 1 house and barrack and go for 3 militia right away, you only need to gather 25 more wood, so you dont get housed at pop 10, but from then its a normal build, just with the difference, that you kill 1 or two vils, because your opponent doesnt have loom that early and you deny his berries or wood until he is forced to fight you with vils, which brings more and more idle time...
On pro lvl i think it can be good, but when i do it, it messes my eco too much cause i am only a 17++ player :-(

That is one thing. On the other hand you can easily do pop 17 or even less scout or tower rushes, supported by trash on speed. In total, at least until start/mid feudal, this civ is massive.

 

[Chainsaw]

And people thought arambai were broken...

 

[dodageka]

They should be fun on arena as well - either super fast FC into nice boom or into monk rush or Stable Blacksmith up into scouts and map control to collect relics and dominate with cavalry

 

[Huehuecoyotl22]

It is very good. I guess they will reduce it to 100 or less in the end. Do you think 100 is more balanced?

 

[Mouttie]

viper said it wont work on a real game if im not mistaken.

 

[TriRem]

It is very good. I guess they will reduce it to 100 or less in the end. Do you think 100 is more balanced?

100 might be more balanced but it would feel even more like a copy of the Persian bonus... It's such an overlap already, I really dislike this bonus. Could be much more creative for a similar effect, but alas...

 

[nC_Andorin]

Hoang sends his regards.

 

[Nicov]

So why would you pick persians if you have a civ that starts with 3x more food? I have never been a fan of repeating bonus for different civs exactly for this reason. As well as this is why I dont think that adding even more civs was a great choice. We had 31 already and basically every eco and militar bonus have been implemented at this point.

 

[Influenza]

they had a really good opportunity to implement an original bonus but the devs don't have much in the way of originality. Instead of cumans as a civ there should have been khazars and they would get spies starting in the dark age since they are jewish

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

they had a really good opportunity to implement an original bonus but the devs don't have much in the way of originality. Instead of cumans as a civ there should have been khazars and they would get spies starting in the dark age since they are jewish

Wouldnt that spies bonus only work on civs that use android?

 

[Influenza]

Wouldnt that spies bonus only work on civs that use android?

it would work on all civs. and if you are wondering how this bonus would be balanced, khazar vills would work 15% slower because they can't work on the sabbath

 

[GeneralZuma]

So why would you pick persians if you have a civ that starts with 3x more food? I have never been a fan of repeating bonus for different civs exactly for this reason. As well as this is why I dont think that adding even more civs was a great choice. We had 31 already and basically every eco and militar bonus have been implemented at this point.

Nomad

It's not a true repeat, it is more similar to Chinese and Mayan both getting bonus villagers. I wouldn't call that a repeat bonus either, but +50 food and wood and +150 food is very similar to +1 vill and +3 vills.

There are plenty more eco and military bonuses that haven't been used, I hope they create more civs in the future because there is still a lot they can do.

 

[Dovabornn]

Hoang sends his regards.

Hoang : 1v1 2k Huns -> 1v1 2k Lithuanians

 

[Timotheus_]

it would work on all civs. and if you are wondering how this bonus would be balanced, khazar vills would work 15% slower because they can't work on the sabbath

Which is why the villagers should work 20% faster instead of slower. If working less days reduced efficiency, why are upcoming policies promoting a 4 working day week instead of a 5? :D

 

[kalkkaro]

So why would you pick persians if you have a civ that starts with 3x more food?

Persia also has +5% faster TC in dark age which basically means +1 vill when reaching feudal age. And their faster TC eco bonus is working whole game.

 

[Influenza]

Which is why the villagers should work 20% faster instead of slower. If working less days reduced efficiency, why are upcoming policies promoting a 4 working day week instead of a 5? :D

I'm trying to balance the civ here. Since when has realism ever mattered in this game??

 

[ztop48]

I think its to similar to Persian +50 food. Perhaps a better bonus would be something like all food income +5% or something. This is also so that their early game isn't to op and the civ would actually have a bonus that is used for the entire game.

 

[Funito]

It's easy saying this from here, but this bonus is just lazy.

 

[Huehuecoyotl22]

I think its to similar to Persian +50 food. Perhaps a better bonus would be something like all food income +5% or something. This is also so that their early game isn't to op and the civ would actually have a bonus that is used for the entire game.

Do you mean gathered at the same speed, but the villager always receiving 5 % more? I think then under 10 % is difficult, because it would be less than 1 unit.
If the food sources just keeps more food than what is gathered, it's just a part of Mayans' bonus.

So many economy bonuses have to become similar, if they don't include new units or new technologies. How about being able to train sheep from the tc or mill. AoE III and some mods had that. That's a food-related early-game thing that doesn't exist in AoE II yet.

 

[Dirkjan]

I never understood why civ bonuses shouldn't be repeated

 

[klavskisLV]

Do you mean gathered at the same speed, but the villager always receiving 5 % more? I think then under 10 % is difficult, because it would be less than 1 unit.
If the food sources just keeps more food than what is gathered, it's just a part of Mayans' bonus.

So many economy bonuses have to become similar, if they don't include new units or new technologies. How about being able to train sheep from the tc or mill. AoE III and some mods had that. That's a food-related early-game thing that doesn't exist in AoE II yet.

Im gonna be real with you
I propose eco bonus-train boar from TC, you can eat it or use it to attack opponent, costs 1 pop and 100 food, easy solution
Call it- the call of the wild
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